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<blockquote data-quote="Cl1mh4224rd" data-source="post: 50924" data-attributes="member: 999">well, let's look at what's involved here:1) the character is holding a one-handed weapon. he's considered armed.2) the character is making an unarmed attack with his other hand (the one not holding the weapon).3) the character does not have improved unarmed strike.4) there character is not holding the charge of a touch spell.5) the character is not wearing gauntlets.the reason those 3 (of 4) situations you mentioned do not provoke an aoo is because, for whatever reason, the character is still considered a credible threat.with this situation, however, moving in close to pop the baddie in the jaw pretty much takes the threat of the held weapon out of the picture. of course, this opens up a whole can of &quot;what about with this weapon?&quot; arguments. those are invalidated due to the abstractness of the combat system (a dagger has the same threat range as a greatsword).the fact remains that you are making an unarmed attack without a touch spell, without the appropriate feat, without wearing gauntlets, and without being a monk. it just so happens that you're holding a weapon in the other hand.of course, maybe i'm just putting too fine a resolution on the armed/unarmed thing by taking it down to the &quot;left-hand/right-hand&quot; and &quot;per attack&quot; level. [shrug]in this situation, to be honest, i would probably rule it on a weapon size basis. if the weapon you're weilding is one size category smaller than you, you do not provoke an aoo, because it's small enough to be brought in that close.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cl1mh4224rd, post: 50924, member: 999"] well, let's look at what's involved here: 1) the character is holding a one-handed weapon. he's considered armed. 2) the character is making an unarmed attack with his other hand (the one not holding the weapon). 3) the character does not have improved unarmed strike. 4) there character is not holding the charge of a touch spell. 5) the character is not wearing gauntlets. the reason those 3 (of 4) situations you mentioned do not provoke an aoo is because, for whatever reason, the character is still considered a credible threat. with this situation, however, moving in close to pop the baddie in the jaw pretty much takes the threat of the held weapon out of the picture. of course, this opens up a whole can of "what about with this weapon?" arguments. those are invalidated due to the abstractness of the combat system (a dagger has the same threat range as a greatsword). the fact remains that you are making an unarmed attack without a touch spell, without the appropriate feat, without wearing gauntlets, and without being a monk. it just so happens that you're holding a weapon in the other hand. of course, maybe i'm just putting too fine a resolution on the armed/unarmed thing by taking it down to the "left-hand/right-hand" and "per attack" level. [shrug] in this situation, to be honest, i would probably rule it on a weapon size basis. if the weapon you're weilding is one size category smaller than you, you do not provoke an aoo, because it's small enough to be brought in that close. [/QUOTE]

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