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Message: <blockquote data-quote="LiL KiNG" data-source="post: 5833518" data-attributes="member: 83799">For the Feral template and the abilities based on monster hit die I believe the following from the SRD explains how this works;"Humanoids and Class Levels      Creatures with 1 or less HD replace their monster levels with their character levels. The monster loses the attack bonus, saving throw bonuses, skills, and feats granted by its 1 monster HD and gains the  attack bonus, save bonuses, skills, feats, and other class abilities of a  1st-level character of the appropriate class."The Feral template also states it changes (or adds to) your subtype to become a monstrous humanoid.  So a level 1 human fighter with the feral template becomes a human (monstrous humanoid) or humanoid (human, monstrous) - however you want to word it.  Then since he has no monstrous (1 or less) hit die, his class hit die become his effective monstrous hit die.The feral template is very powerful for a +1LA though... the +natural armor, bonus to speed, claws with above average damage for size and darkvision abilities alone are a lot, but to get the imp. grab, rend, etc makes this is a beast of a template.  Hey Amphoterik (neat name by the way), where are you from?</blockquote>