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<blockquote data-quote="Patryn of Elvenshae" data-source="post: 2252942" data-attributes="member: 23094">It doesn't matter.In this case, the spider is *not* trying to bite whatever it's holding.&nbsp; It's trying to wrap its legs around it, squeezing it to death, and beating it on the floor.&nbsp; It does 1d8+Strength subdual damage.If, instead, the spider wants to bite what it's holding, it can do that, too.There is a list of actions you can take while grappling.&nbsp; Here are the two you need to read:If the spider wants to bite, he uses the &quot;Attack your Opponent&quot; action.&nbsp; If he wants to wrestly, he uses the &quot;Damage Your Opponent&quot; action.If he does the first, he takes a -4 penalty on his attack roll, and does normal bite damage.&nbsp; If he does the second, he makes a grapple check and does 1d8+Str subdual damage - unless he takes a -4 penalty, in which case he does normal damage.The Sage, as it happens more often than not, is completely out to lunch.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Patryn of Elvenshae, post: 2252942, member: 23094"] It doesn't matter. In this case, the spider is *not* trying to bite whatever it's holding. It's trying to wrap its legs around it, squeezing it to death, and beating it on the floor. It does 1d8+Strength subdual damage. If, instead, the spider wants to bite what it's holding, it can do that, too. There is a list of actions you can take while grappling. Here are the two you need to read: If the spider wants to bite, he uses the "Attack your Opponent" action. If he wants to wrestly, he uses the "Damage Your Opponent" action. If he does the first, he takes a -4 penalty on his attack roll, and does normal bite damage. If he does the second, he makes a grapple check and does 1d8+Str subdual damage - unless he takes a -4 penalty, in which case he does normal damage. The Sage, as it happens more often than not, is completely out to lunch. [/QUOTE]

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