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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 7689950" data-attributes="member: 177">True.&nbsp; Several comic book artists are great examples.However, in each of those cases, the artist entered into a business agreement of their own free will - choosing short-term ease of distribution and marketing over their long-term rights.&nbsp; Aren't these mostly cases of the artist figuring it was a good idea at the time, and then realizing their mistake only after their creation became popular beyond anyone's wildest dreams at the time?&nbsp; Neither Siegel, Shuster, nor National Comics understood what would come when Superman was created.&nbsp; Do not confuse, &quot;Ensures they have the right,&quot; with, &quot;executes good business decisions concerning their creations.&quot;Crowdfunding has some significant differences from classical patronage, and most assuredly does not replace or reduce the potential need for copyrights.&nbsp; Patronage is about supporting the creation of content, not about how the long-term value of that content is then realized, and by whom.Patronage-only seems very much like the deal Seigel and Shuster, or other comic creators got - it is very much like work for hire.This doesn't seem like a solid argument to make when 1)You aren't talking about getting rid of copyright, 2) there are a lot of artists for whom loss of rights *would* be a major issue, and 3) those small groups you are talking about are probably not doing all that well, financially, and face hard questions about their long-term economic viability.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 7689950, member: 177"] True. Several comic book artists are great examples. However, in each of those cases, the artist entered into a business agreement of their own free will - choosing short-term ease of distribution and marketing over their long-term rights. Aren't these mostly cases of the artist figuring it was a good idea at the time, and then realizing their mistake only after their creation became popular beyond anyone's wildest dreams at the time? Neither Siegel, Shuster, nor National Comics understood what would come when Superman was created. Do not confuse, "Ensures they have the right," with, "executes good business decisions concerning their creations." Crowdfunding has some significant differences from classical patronage, and most assuredly does not replace or reduce the potential need for copyrights. Patronage is about supporting the creation of content, not about how the long-term value of that content is then realized, and by whom. Patronage-only seems very much like the deal Seigel and Shuster, or other comic creators got - it is very much like work for hire. This doesn't seem like a solid argument to make when 1)You aren't talking about getting rid of copyright, 2) there are a lot of artists for whom loss of rights *would* be a major issue, and 3) those small groups you are talking about are probably not doing all that well, financially, and face hard questions about their long-term economic viability. [/QUOTE]

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