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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ASchmidt" data-source="post: 9617472" data-attributes="member: 6729334">100% agreed. If we're going to be using LLMs, they have to be good citizens themselves. They can't start by stealing every scrap of Intellectual Property just as a kick off. Oh, and then keep doing it for the rest of time so it can stay current. I get that they're more useful to many people if they had unfettered access to everything, but that's just flat out theft. I think the ultimate resolution has to be an update to publication licensing agreements between the publishers and the creators so that the publishers can in turn provide access to the material (where the creators give their approval) for some licensing fee to be worked out so that the creators get their cut. And of course the publishers will take their even larger cut. Frankly, there's been enough mergers in the various media markets that it wouldn't take that many companies to sign on.At the end of the day, the tools are useful and tools to come will be more useful and they need training data. But creators need to be respected too including the ability to opt out and to get recompense for their work (the heck if I know how to figure that one out as to who gets paid how much based on number of prompts that used their work or who knows). There's no reasonable definition of "fair use" that means I get to steal your work and use it to create work just like it on demand. Where I'm literally using your creation as source data that gets fed into my system. No accreditation, no nothing. Right now even music samples in songs get accreditation and royalties or payment of some kind but an AI creating a song is pulling from piles of "sample data" that came from real songs without accreditation or payment. Not even a blanket payment for just being in the library. The data was just stolen.Simply put, an LLM doesn't work without source data. None of these corporations have a "right" to anyone's IP. There has to be a reasonable compromise, something similar to what's done with streaming platforms/subscription services. Sadly corporations with billions on the line are anything but reasonable and so it'll be a legal tug of war to find out if creators have rights.</blockquote>

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