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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Uller" data-source="post: 6438561" data-attributes="member: 413">If we're to the point where we are parsing rules to the point where we consider a blue dragon spitting a lightning bolt at a PC and concluding it is not attacking the the PC, then the game has gone off the rails.  Clearly the dragon is not giving the PC a kiss...So here is some more parsing just to play devil's advocate: The rule you quote says that if you are making an attack roll, you're making an attack.  It does not, however, say that if you aren't making an attack you are not making an attack.  So...it covers all circumstances where an attack roll is made, but no circumstances where it is not.  Just because you infer the negative of the quoted sentence doesn't make it so.If an invisible PC spills a cauldron of boiling oil on a character, that's an attack whether the DM requires a roll or not and the PC will become visible again.  An attack roll and a saving throw are conceptually the same thing.  It is a contest between two characters where one character's ability modifies the roll and the other character's 1(or the environment's) ability modifies the target.  Who is rolling the dice is irrelevant.  In fact, I would argue that it is evasion that is broken.  Evasion should be usable anytime failure of a dex based check means the target takes half damage ...so for instance, evasion should be usable against Melf's Acid Arrow just as well as against a black dragon's breath.</blockquote>

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