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Unclear on how kobolds work (stats/attacks)
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<blockquote data-quote="Lazybones" data-source="post: 4410902" data-attributes="member: 143"><p>I'm sure this was discussed earlier, probably around the time 4e came out, but I couldn't find it in any of the nearby threads in this forum. I didn't see these mentioned in the collected errata thread, or in the Wizards errata list. </p><p></p><p>I was reading through <em>Keep of the Shadowfell</em> and the <em>Monster Manual</em>, and was having some difficulty in understanding how the kobold stats work out. I wasn't sure if they were just pervaded with errors, or if I was missing something. </p><p></p><p>For example, a majority of the stat blocks in <em>Shadowfell</em> have wrong stat modifiers. Some of these were fixed in the MM, but in the Wyrmpriest entry it still says that a 9 stat is a +0 modifier, and 17 is a +4. I'm assuming these are just errors, as the slinger has the right values, but they're not mentioned in the errata lists. </p><p></p><p>I'm having a tougher time trying to see where they came up with the kobold attack values. Minions, for example, throw javelins with a +5 attack. But in the <em>Player's Handbook</em>, it says that javelins are "heavy thrown," which AFAICT means that they use strength and not dexterity for the attack and damage modifier. Shouldn't the attack value be -1 (Str) +2 (Prof) +0 (Level) for a total of +1? </p><p></p><p>Similar questions for the skirmisher. I assume it's using the spear in melee (i.e. not throwing away its only weapon). The attack value given is +6, but shouldn't it be +1 also? And the damage 1d8-1? </p><p></p><p>And for the dragonshield, it gets a +7 and 1d6+3 damage, but with 14 Str shouldn't it be +2 (Str) +3 (Prof) +1 (Level*1/2) for +6, 1d6+2? </p><p></p><p>It looks like the Slyblade's basic attack is also off by a lot. </p><p></p><p>I'm wondering if it just says somewhere that monsters don't follow the same rules as PCs in this edition and I just missed it. hanks in advance for any clarification you can provide.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lazybones, post: 4410902, member: 143"] I'm sure this was discussed earlier, probably around the time 4e came out, but I couldn't find it in any of the nearby threads in this forum. I didn't see these mentioned in the collected errata thread, or in the Wizards errata list. I was reading through [i]Keep of the Shadowfell[/i] and the [i]Monster Manual[/i], and was having some difficulty in understanding how the kobold stats work out. I wasn't sure if they were just pervaded with errors, or if I was missing something. For example, a majority of the stat blocks in [i]Shadowfell[/i] have wrong stat modifiers. Some of these were fixed in the MM, but in the Wyrmpriest entry it still says that a 9 stat is a +0 modifier, and 17 is a +4. I'm assuming these are just errors, as the slinger has the right values, but they're not mentioned in the errata lists. I'm having a tougher time trying to see where they came up with the kobold attack values. Minions, for example, throw javelins with a +5 attack. But in the [i]Player's Handbook[/i], it says that javelins are "heavy thrown," which AFAICT means that they use strength and not dexterity for the attack and damage modifier. Shouldn't the attack value be -1 (Str) +2 (Prof) +0 (Level) for a total of +1? Similar questions for the skirmisher. I assume it's using the spear in melee (i.e. not throwing away its only weapon). The attack value given is +6, but shouldn't it be +1 also? And the damage 1d8-1? And for the dragonshield, it gets a +7 and 1d6+3 damage, but with 14 Str shouldn't it be +2 (Str) +3 (Prof) +1 (Level*1/2) for +6, 1d6+2? It looks like the Slyblade's basic attack is also off by a lot. I'm wondering if it just says somewhere that monsters don't follow the same rules as PCs in this edition and I just missed it. hanks in advance for any clarification you can provide. [/QUOTE]
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