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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9825079" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>I tend to agree yeah - 192 pages is <em>crazy</em>, especially when 64 are adventure and 64 are bestiary, so everything about the setting (that isn't conveyed in the adventure or bestiary) <em>and</em> all the player-facing rules have to be in the remaining 64! Pain! But they've course-corrected and I hope they will continue.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Shorter-term financial success doesn't necessarily indicate quality either with TTRPG products (so many factors can play into that), and critical quality is always hard to gauge as, with love, about 80% of people who formally review official (rather than 3PP) D&D products are dedicated to praising them to the high heavens and absolutely minimizing any bad qualities, and the other 20% are dedicated haters who are doing the exact opposite, just absolutely laying into them often even more unreasonably than the praise. I struggle to think of any reviewers who I'd say give a balanced perspective.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I mean, I don't think social media has done this <em>per se</em>, I think it's a phenomenon you see mostly with corporate-owned media, where the perception (often not entirely incorrectly) is that the corporation is making the decisions and with an eye on profit rather than quality or integrity or being "true" to the IP in question. Certainly there are countless examples of this.</p><p></p><p>So we have this idea that "fans" must oppose the corporate goals, that they're at odds. You can see this in fan communities even before the internet is really a thing, let alone social media - Star Trek for example had a bunch of people who were very against TNG. Eventually though the sheer quality of it won them over or caused them to be so outnumbered by new fans that it didn't matter.</p><p></p><p>We actually kind of saw something similar with SW and the prequel trilogy. Ye Olde Fannes were burning their Star Trek merch in their garden (c.f. <em>Spaced</em>) but it created enough new fans, and later work caused enough reappraisal that the still-frankly-pretty-rubbish PT is now much less hatefully regarded, and seen more like a slightly ridiculous but beloved uncle than a horrible clown home invader as it initially was by "fans".</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9825079, member: 18"] I tend to agree yeah - 192 pages is [I]crazy[/I], especially when 64 are adventure and 64 are bestiary, so everything about the setting (that isn't conveyed in the adventure or bestiary) [I]and[/I] all the player-facing rules have to be in the remaining 64! Pain! But they've course-corrected and I hope they will continue. Shorter-term financial success doesn't necessarily indicate quality either with TTRPG products (so many factors can play into that), and critical quality is always hard to gauge as, with love, about 80% of people who formally review official (rather than 3PP) D&D products are dedicated to praising them to the high heavens and absolutely minimizing any bad qualities, and the other 20% are dedicated haters who are doing the exact opposite, just absolutely laying into them often even more unreasonably than the praise. I struggle to think of any reviewers who I'd say give a balanced perspective. I mean, I don't think social media has done this [I]per se[/I], I think it's a phenomenon you see mostly with corporate-owned media, where the perception (often not entirely incorrectly) is that the corporation is making the decisions and with an eye on profit rather than quality or integrity or being "true" to the IP in question. Certainly there are countless examples of this. So we have this idea that "fans" must oppose the corporate goals, that they're at odds. You can see this in fan communities even before the internet is really a thing, let alone social media - Star Trek for example had a bunch of people who were very against TNG. Eventually though the sheer quality of it won them over or caused them to be so outnumbered by new fans that it didn't matter. We actually kind of saw something similar with SW and the prequel trilogy. Ye Olde Fannes were burning their Star Trek merch in their garden (c.f. [I]Spaced[/I]) but it created enough new fans, and later work caused enough reappraisal that the still-frankly-pretty-rubbish PT is now much less hatefully regarded, and seen more like a slightly ridiculous but beloved uncle than a horrible clown home invader as it initially was by "fans". [/QUOTE]
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