unconscious and saves

[Voadam]

Do you get will saves when unconscious? I can't seem to find a specific reference in the srd.

My gut is yes because I can't find anything saying no, though I wouldn't allow reflex saves.

Thanks.

 

[Infiniti2000]

Do you get will saves when unconscious?

Yes. If the effect is harmless, I would not allow a save because I think the "choose" requires conciousness. Note also: "Unconscious creatures are automatically considered willing . . .."

My gut is yes because I can't find anything saying no . . .

That's the answer!

. . . though I wouldn't allow reflex saves.

I do, but at a Dex consideration of 0.

 

[shilsen]

What Infiniti2000 said.

Note also: "Unconscious creatures are automatically considered willing . . .."

That's from the Orc Dating Handbook, right?

 

[mvincent]

Note also: "Unconscious creatures are automatically considered willing . . ..".

To clarify for the OP: It still gets a save, but this makes it a viable target for spells that can only target willing creatures (such as teleport)... most of which don't have saves.

I do, but at a Dex consideration of 0.

This coincides exactly with the 3.5 FAQ clarification.

 

[Infiniti2000]

This coincides exactly with the 3.5 FAQ clarification.

Yeah, but I came up with my ruling before the FAQ and can prove it, so there!

 

[frankthedm]

That's from the Orc Dating Handbook, right?

The unconscious are always willing

-Orc proverb​

Thats for effects that require willing people, like teleport.


Many DMs will say No. to reflex saves while K.O.

 

[Infiniti2000]

Many DMs will say No. to reflex saves while K.O.

Yeah, ole' sticks in the mud like Hyp.