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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shemeska" data-source="post: 3390809" data-attributes="member: 11697">I wouldn't put much stock in that particular bit of info from Libris Mortis. It makes a claim without addressing the bizarre yet very real ramifications that spring up from the claim, and it comes off as silly to allow a 3rd level spell to do things that a wish shouldn't be capable of doing. Plus there's that whole general you won't come back from any raise dead etc spell without the soul being willing to do so.I think it might be generally agreed upon that once a petitioner transitions to something different such as a fiend, celestial, a specific servitor of a deity such as a Minion of Set, that spells that would raise them from the dead simply don't work. At that point the original soul has become something more than it started out as, and even normal petitioners after a certain point have grown so close to their plane that a raise dead spell looking for that original soul isn't going to find them because they no longer exist as they were back then when they first died. There's some DM wiggle room here yes, but at least to me it makes sense.And for LM in general, this is the same book that came up with the "lichfiend", something that without further explanation -which LM fails to provide- is impossible because of the absolute lack of body/soul duality in fiends, which is required for something to become a lich in the first place. My faith in LM as a deep source on undeath is about as much as I'd view the BoED as a deep source on morality. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

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