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Message: <blockquote data-quote="R1C0F3TT" data-source="post: 4550486" data-attributes="member: 79143">Dread Necromancers become Lich's at 20th level due tot heir class, so I wouldn't have turned into one so early, just save to money... Did the necromancer spend the 120k nessesary to make a philactery? If so, at 13th level area, it will take about all his money, if not, you're handing out to much money to your PC's.You answered your question about how to slay them. A 16th level cleric with a holy mace of disruption will pretty devastating (your PCs are high level magic users, so why wouldn't there be others. It doesn't make sense that there are 15th level wizard, but only 10th level cleric.) will be devastating to the vampire and lich. The vampire will die indefinitaly, and the lich won't come back for 1d10 days. Where did the lich hide his philactery? Does anyone know about it? Whereever he hid it, there is always a chance that some random will find it, go to a wizard to sell it, the wizard will realise it is a philactery and destroy it.Is your vampire using his LA? If so his class would be a lot less compared to others.You could also send a wizard who just uses control undead on them indefinatly.</blockquote>