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Message: <blockquote data-quote="akbearfoot" data-source="post: 4550568" data-attributes="member: 33560">how can you say magic is rare in you world?  You have a druid, a wizard/spellthief who managed to survive to 15th level, and a dread necromancer....creation of undead and becoming a lich is apparently easy to learn and cheap to do.  And you said the PCs could be practically anything.  I do not know the LA of being vampire spawn or lich, but I am sure it is several levels for the lich.  That means the ECL of the group has gone up and warrants tougher challenges.  This will probably suck for the spell-thief  since its a pretty weak class, but the druid will be fine they are already still one of the strongest classes. Whats good for the PCs is good for the NPCs....and just as your PCs grow your world should grow too.  If they are making themselves targets then a group of holy do-gooders SHOULD go after them.A group of 12th or 13th level Do-Gooders should give these guys a run for their money....A Paladin, a Radiant Servant of Pelor, a monk, and a support caster.  Paladin with Divine Might + smite and the weapon crystal that lets him crit undead,  radiant servant may not be able to turn them, but he can CURE the hell out of them and cast Death ward and other various buffs.  Spell caster to fly around and targeted dispel the multitude of buffs that party probably has, summon more allies, and buff/debuff.  Monk can grapple the lich and has excellent saves and mobility, or he can tie up the druid to keep him from using all the druidy stuff.  The spell-thief may actually shine in an encounter like this as there are lots of spells flying around.</blockquote>

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