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Message: <blockquote data-quote="robertliguori" data-source="post: 4573877" data-attributes="member: 47776">You're going to want divide and conquer.  Against the lich, you'll want an extended ambush, with waves, reinforcements, and multiple methods to prevent him from fleeing.  The idea isn't to destroy him, but to force him to use his spells, then bind him hand and jaw (hope he took Still and Silent Spell), then toss him into a coffin, seal it up with something nice and impermeable like mud turned to stone, then store the coffin somewhere <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />ing secure.Against the vampire, you'll want a powerful alpha strike.  Vampires are formidable combatants, but if you hit them hard and fast with special preparations (holy symbols, garlic, and mirrors to limit his mobility, a bunch of +1 undead-bane silver arrows with Flaming Arrow cast on the bunch and distributed to a corps of low-to-mid-level archers, alchemist's fire, tanglefoot bags, and the like), and he will likely go down hard.  If you can lock his gaseous form down (or follow it to his coffin), that will be the end of the vampire.Finally, look at the party's ECL.  The lich is 4 levels higher than his hit dice indicate; the vampire eight.  The effective party level is actually 16.5 or so; start throwing accordant CRs at them if you want to challenge them.  Also, you might consider powering up the druid a little (and the spellthief a lot), then start throwing the kitchen sink at the party and see how they respond.</blockquote>

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