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<blockquote data-quote="Henry" data-source="post: 90011" data-attributes="member: 158">I second the suggestions here, but I must ask a few questions:1) Do the players play the characters power to the fullest? is the cleric buffing up the party beforehand, or is he swinging melee with the best of 'em?2) Remember that the cleric DOES have ranged firepower - searing light and flame strike if nothing else.3) Use enemies that focus on will save magics. Your fighter, rogue, bard and cohort will be &quot;soiling their panties&quot; unless they have magic items that seriously boost their will saves. Fort and reflex saves are your group's strong suit. don't play to that unless the enemy is MEANT to be easily defeated.4) If you want to really interest your players, create a layer full of about 100 kobolds, 1 mid to high-level sorcerer chieftain, and 1 mid-level fighter/rogue subchieftain. Purchase a copy of Song and silence. Litter the lair with magic and mechanical traps, set for people of medium height, and make all corridors apprximately 3' high by 2' wide. NEVER face them in a straight-up fight - hit and run. Your players will go nuts trying to make their way through the place, and will be truly baffled by the fact that mere kobolds are ticking them off and threatening them this much. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Good luck, and any further info you can volunteer about the party's strengths and what challenges you have faced them with will help us help you better.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Henry, post: 90011, member: 158"] I second the suggestions here, but I must ask a few questions: 1) Do the players play the characters power to the fullest? is the cleric buffing up the party beforehand, or is he swinging melee with the best of 'em? 2) Remember that the cleric DOES have ranged firepower - searing light and flame strike if nothing else. 3) Use enemies that focus on will save magics. Your fighter, rogue, bard and cohort will be "soiling their panties" unless they have magic items that seriously boost their will saves. Fort and reflex saves are your group's strong suit. don't play to that unless the enemy is MEANT to be easily defeated. 4) If you want to really interest your players, create a layer full of about 100 kobolds, 1 mid to high-level sorcerer chieftain, and 1 mid-level fighter/rogue subchieftain. Purchase a copy of Song and silence. Litter the lair with magic and mechanical traps, set for people of medium height, and make all corridors apprximately 3' high by 2' wide. NEVER face them in a straight-up fight - hit and run. Your players will go nuts trying to make their way through the place, and will be truly baffled by the fact that mere kobolds are ticking them off and threatening them this much. :) Good luck, and any further info you can volunteer about the party's strengths and what challenges you have faced them with will help us help you better. [/QUOTE]

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