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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MoogleEmpMog" data-source="post: 1733944" data-attributes="member: 22882">Any type of 'full' armor (full plate, modern anti-ballistic armor, and so on) confers at least some protection against a rifle or smaller firearm.  Some studies even indicate that muskets, with the greater mass of their shot, would be better at penetrating archaic armor than most modern small arms.  Now, AP bullets would be a different story, but we're talking standard load.Since modern armor is specifically designed with modern weapons in mind, it does offer more protection against them while being lighter weight than its archaic equivalent - but on the other hand, a suit of full plate confers at least some protection against both guns and swords, whereas a swordsman will essentially consider modern 'armor' no different than tough clothing, probably no better than leather armor.One option would be to make armor -1 or -2 per PL difference from a weapon.  This actually works well for modern/medieval armor and weapons, although ancient/futuristic skews it into the realm of the silly.Also, D&D guns are not ranged touch attacks, nor, goodness knows, should they be.However, the original gist of this thread was a machine gun and a greatsword, and I do somewhat see what the original poster was getting at.No personal armor yet developed significantly impacts the damage potential of a heavy machine gun.  The 'forced entry unit' in the d20 Modern book describes basically the pinnacle of modern anti-ballistic armor technology... and it probably shouldn't take one point of damage/to-hit off a heavy machine gun's attack.  Same with full plate.Possibly the biggest problem is the difference between a heavy machine gun (2d12) and a regular assault rifle (2d8).  In a realistic system, the former should be much stronger, or the latter weaker, or both.I'm a bit iffy on an assault rifle doing about as much on average as a greatsword (9 vs. 10 for a Str 14 wielder, probably 'average' for an NPC greatswordsman), but neither should come so close to a heavy machine gun (average 13 for a non-specialist) without extreme stats and/or special (probably magical) abilities.</blockquote>

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