Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
Underpowered Guns in d20 Modern (rant, long)
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="ragboy" data-source="post: 1739072" data-attributes="member: 4151"><p>Though it depends on the cinematic level of your game, that DR is probably accurate. The only thing that's getting through the front and side hull and turret armor of an M1A1-M1A2 is another M1A1-M1A2's main gun shot. Mobility kills are much easier, even with something as wimpy as a heavy grenade or RPG. But, you're not penetrating crew compartments with anything less than a 120mm DU round. In general terms, I'd put the armor at something like this: </p><p> </p><p>Front hull, front skirts, and the front sides and back of the turret: Very High (120mm or higher)</p><p>Rear and side hull and top of the turret: High (25mm can penetrate)</p><p>Rear skirts, track and anything outside the tank: Low (.50 can chew them up). </p><p> </p><p>I watched a T72 shoot an M1A1 at point blank range (about 50 yards) in the side of the turret and the round bounced off. </p><p> </p><p>My tank ran over a mine on the front left and it destroyed the track, and 2 roadwheels, but did not penetrate the bottom hull armor or the heavy skirt (though it did blow it off its hinges). Another tank in our division backed over a mine and it penetrated the rear hull and caught the engine on fire. </p><p> </p><p>As to the damage from an M1A1/A2, that's another story. That same engagement, both my tank and several others shot through T72's to kill other T72's behind them. Two catastrophic kills (turrets flying in the air and massive fireballs) with one shot. </p><p> </p><p>I have a couple of presentations from GD Land systems from the current war as well, with pictures depicting armor performance. There's actually a very disturbing incident where an unknown (possibly hand-held) weapon penetrated the softer skirt and the actual side hull armor injuring the gunner. If anyone's interested I can dig those up and send them along.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ragboy, post: 1739072, member: 4151"] Though it depends on the cinematic level of your game, that DR is probably accurate. The only thing that's getting through the front and side hull and turret armor of an M1A1-M1A2 is another M1A1-M1A2's main gun shot. Mobility kills are much easier, even with something as wimpy as a heavy grenade or RPG. But, you're not penetrating crew compartments with anything less than a 120mm DU round. In general terms, I'd put the armor at something like this: Front hull, front skirts, and the front sides and back of the turret: Very High (120mm or higher) Rear and side hull and top of the turret: High (25mm can penetrate) Rear skirts, track and anything outside the tank: Low (.50 can chew them up). I watched a T72 shoot an M1A1 at point blank range (about 50 yards) in the side of the turret and the round bounced off. My tank ran over a mine on the front left and it destroyed the track, and 2 roadwheels, but did not penetrate the bottom hull armor or the heavy skirt (though it did blow it off its hinges). Another tank in our division backed over a mine and it penetrated the rear hull and caught the engine on fire. As to the damage from an M1A1/A2, that's another story. That same engagement, both my tank and several others shot through T72's to kill other T72's behind them. Two catastrophic kills (turrets flying in the air and massive fireballs) with one shot. I have a couple of presentations from GD Land systems from the current war as well, with pictures depicting armor performance. There's actually a very disturbing incident where an unknown (possibly hand-held) weapon penetrated the softer skirt and the actual side hull armor injuring the gunner. If anyone's interested I can dig those up and send them along. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
Underpowered Guns in d20 Modern (rant, long)
Top