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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ruleslawyer" data-source="post: 584067" data-attributes="member: 1757">My pedantic self at work...The spell you're describing is righteous might (Clr 5, Strength 5). I agree that this is underpowered; I'd be fine with it as a 4th-level cleric spell, though. In general, this does raise the point that pretty much anything sucks compared to poly other/self, the most broken spell suite in the books (with the possible exception of harm). Feeblemind, for instance, is less of an insta-kill spell against an arcane spellcaster than is poly other (targets good save, albeit with a penalty, semi-incapacitates but does not kill) than poly other (targets poor save, can kill PDQ if target is turned to fish or somesuch). I prefer animate dead to be 5th level largely because I like restricting the ability to create undead armies to higher-level arcane spellcasters.  OTOH, in 3e, a 7th-level wizard probably can come up with a 5th-level cleric cohort anyway, so maybe it's fine to lower this spell's level to 4th.I don't see how creeping doom is underpowered, especially since most characters who'll cast it (high-level druids) typically will be protected from melee attack by legions of animal companions, or will just cast the spell while wild shaped and undetectable. And it does a LOT of damage.plavi: IMHO, your harm revision underpowers the spell a bit, but that's just me. I'd have preferred a damage cap (retaining the no-save aspect) or a Will save for half, just like all the inflict spells.</blockquote>

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