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<blockquote data-quote="ProfessorCirno" data-source="post: 4947610" data-attributes="member: 65637">Correct, I've never had a party who randomly came across a cave of orcs and then spontaniously decided to butcher them all.And yes, your second quote is generally justification, in that usually it's not a village but a war camp.&nbsp; Huge difference between the two.Irony IS fun!&nbsp; Unfortunately, I'm not being ironic.&nbsp; Your quote from the PHB has nothing to do with my commentary that paladins no longer have the Call, and that they're no longer associated completely with the alignment.Once again, RTFM.&nbsp; Atonement isn't &quot;Oh hey mr cleric, could you heal my paladin powers real quick?&quot;&nbsp; &quot;Oh sure thing!&nbsp; ZAP!&quot;Now, I grant you this - your DM could allow the Mr Cleric scenario.&nbsp; But I've yet to see that, either.&nbsp; Maybe those clerics hang out with the groups of genocidal adventurers who just randomly massacre innocent villages, and have no issues with throwing away 500 exp, and doesn't care about roleplaying whatsoever.I'm not saying that the 4e paladins is bad.&nbsp; I'm saying that it's different.&nbsp; Which is exactly what the damn paladin advertised himself as.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ProfessorCirno, post: 4947610, member: 65637"] Correct, I've never had a party who randomly came across a cave of orcs and then spontaniously decided to butcher them all. And yes, your second quote is generally justification, in that usually it's not a village but a war camp. Huge difference between the two. Irony IS fun! Unfortunately, I'm not being ironic. Your quote from the PHB has [B]nothing to do[/B] with my commentary that [B]paladins no longer have the Call, and that they're no longer associated completely with the alignment[/B]. Once again, RTFM. Atonement isn't "Oh hey mr cleric, could you heal my paladin powers real quick?" "Oh sure thing! ZAP!" Now, I grant you this - your DM could allow the Mr Cleric scenario. But I've yet to see [I]that[/I], either. Maybe those clerics hang out with the groups of genocidal adventurers who just randomly massacre innocent villages, and have no issues with throwing away 500 exp, and doesn't care about roleplaying whatsoever. [B]I'm not saying that the 4e paladins is bad.[/B] I'm saying that it's [B]different[/B]. Which is [B]exactly what the damn paladin advertised himself as[/B]. [/QUOTE]

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