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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GorTeX" data-source="post: 4804489" data-attributes="member: 14624">There was no mention at all of time passing in the situation I was replying to:If you were following a creature and he went in to a pitch black room, unless the creature made a successful stealth check, you would know exactly which square they were in..with or without LOS.Give the creature a few turns, he may well make the stealth check or leave the room (and depending on how close you were behind them, you may even know what path the creature took if it did not make or succeed on a stealth check).Unless the creature makes the stealth roll, there is no need for a perception check by the PC's as they automatically know where he is...just because you do not have LOS does not automatically make the enemy hidden.</blockquote>