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<blockquote data-quote="Majoru Oakheart" data-source="post: 6599461" data-attributes="member: 5143">This thread just proves to me that NO one knows how Passive Perception works.&nbsp; Not even the people who wrote the books.&nbsp; My best guess is that if you asked all the people at WOTC how it works you'd get 5 different answers.It definitely sounds like the designers were assuming it works like 4e, for the most part.&nbsp; Where if anyone makes a check to hide from you then everyone looking automatically succeeds at seeing you if they have a higher PP than your stealth check.&nbsp; It also seems to allow you to find traps if the DC is below your PP even if you don't state you are looking for a trap.&nbsp; But it also seems like it COULD be used if you say &quot;I'm searching this hallway&quot; instead of making a check for every 5 feet of wall.However, if you are using the exploration rules, it says that if you take an exploration action other than being on the lookout, you don't contribute your PP to looking for ambushes.&nbsp; Which means, the designers felt you should be able to &quot;turn off&quot; your PP if you were busy doing something else.&nbsp; Which kind of goes against the idea that you can use your PP to find traps even when you aren't looking for them.So, since we've been given 2 different ideas as to what PP is, people are rather confused by the concept.&nbsp; Add to this the fact that the Starter Set appears to have been written before the rules were finalized, and so was Hoard of the Dragon Queen and that both authors seemed to have different ideas as to what PP meant, it adds even more confusion.From the quote earlier in the thread, it sounds like Mearls is using the concept of &quot;PP is always on, you roll only when you say you are specifically looking around.&quot;I say, expect table variation.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Majoru Oakheart, post: 6599461, member: 5143"] This thread just proves to me that NO one knows how Passive Perception works. Not even the people who wrote the books. My best guess is that if you asked all the people at WOTC how it works you'd get 5 different answers. It definitely sounds like the designers were assuming it works like 4e, for the most part. Where if anyone makes a check to hide from you then everyone looking automatically succeeds at seeing you if they have a higher PP than your stealth check. It also seems to allow you to find traps if the DC is below your PP even if you don't state you are looking for a trap. But it also seems like it COULD be used if you say "I'm searching this hallway" instead of making a check for every 5 feet of wall. However, if you are using the exploration rules, it says that if you take an exploration action other than being on the lookout, you don't contribute your PP to looking for ambushes. Which means, the designers felt you should be able to "turn off" your PP if you were busy doing something else. Which kind of goes against the idea that you can use your PP to find traps even when you aren't looking for them. So, since we've been given 2 different ideas as to what PP is, people are rather confused by the concept. Add to this the fact that the Starter Set appears to have been written before the rules were finalized, and so was Hoard of the Dragon Queen and that both authors seemed to have different ideas as to what PP meant, it adds even more confusion. From the quote earlier in the thread, it sounds like Mearls is using the concept of "PP is always on, you roll only when you say you are specifically looking around." I say, expect table variation. [/QUOTE]

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