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<blockquote data-quote="TheAuldGrump" data-source="post: 5723064" data-attributes="member: 6957"><p>Interesting article. Following through:</p><p>#5 - When I was in parochial school the Jebs used disputation as a learning technique, asking the students to either dispute or defend a theory made the lesson stick around better. So, I largely agree with this point.</p><p></p><p>Also, we are trouping primates, and form 'gangs', a theory that can be used to explain much of human behavior, from team sports to the party system in politics.</p><p></p><p>#4 - The article leaves out 'Availability Heuristics' - that the guy shooting a burglar in his home is more likely to get media exposure than the guy who's six year old daughter just shot her mom because she was playing with an unsecured gun. If the new coverage makes the one seem more likely then your observations have been skewed.</p><p></p><p>Or in other words, just because 'Man Bites Dog' is news it does not mean that men bite dogs more often than the other way around.</p><p></p><p>And some folks are more likely to look at probability more dispassionately than others.</p><p></p><p>#3 - I'm a Dungeon Master, of course they are planning to thwart my plans.... If they weren't then it wouldn't be fun....</p><p></p><p>#2 - This is one where I don't trust <em>me</em>. I try to watch myself for double standards, and to acknowledge them when I find that I have them. I do not always succeed.</p><p></p><p>#1 - Back to the disputation I mentioned in #5 - the Jebs would then have us switch sides.... Do not become too attached to your argument.</p><p></p><p>As a result I try to separate fact and personal preference. I like Pathfinder and do not like 4e, but I generally try not to claim that Pathfinder is a better game, merely that it fits my wants much more than 4e. For <em>me</em> it is a better game, for others... <s>well, they're wrong</s> not so much. Their experiences are not my experiences, but I don't generally think that they are making things up. Except maybe that golf-bag of weapons thing.... (I have never encountered it, nor has anyone that I know. Therefor it must not exist.... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> ) </p><p></p><p>I get tripped up when folks try to change a debate into a polemic. If someone pulls out an argument that in <em>my</em> experience is not true then I tend to call people on it. Sadly I am <em>less</em> likely to notice this in an argument/polemic that supports my stance, though there is at least one Pathfinder supporter that makes me grit my teeth.... Strawman arguments bother me on either side.</p><p></p><p>The Auld Grump</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TheAuldGrump, post: 5723064, member: 6957"] Interesting article. Following through: #5 - When I was in parochial school the Jebs used disputation as a learning technique, asking the students to either dispute or defend a theory made the lesson stick around better. So, I largely agree with this point. Also, we are trouping primates, and form 'gangs', a theory that can be used to explain much of human behavior, from team sports to the party system in politics. #4 - The article leaves out 'Availability Heuristics' - that the guy shooting a burglar in his home is more likely to get media exposure than the guy who's six year old daughter just shot her mom because she was playing with an unsecured gun. If the new coverage makes the one seem more likely then your observations have been skewed. Or in other words, just because 'Man Bites Dog' is news it does not mean that men bite dogs more often than the other way around. And some folks are more likely to look at probability more dispassionately than others. #3 - I'm a Dungeon Master, of course they are planning to thwart my plans.... If they weren't then it wouldn't be fun.... #2 - This is one where I don't trust [i]me[/i]. I try to watch myself for double standards, and to acknowledge them when I find that I have them. I do not always succeed. #1 - Back to the disputation I mentioned in #5 - the Jebs would then have us switch sides.... Do not become too attached to your argument. As a result I try to separate fact and personal preference. I like Pathfinder and do not like 4e, but I generally try not to claim that Pathfinder is a better game, merely that it fits my wants much more than 4e. For [i]me[/i] it is a better game, for others... [s]well, they're wrong[/s] not so much. Their experiences are not my experiences, but I don't generally think that they are making things up. Except maybe that golf-bag of weapons thing.... (I have never encountered it, nor has anyone that I know. Therefor it must not exist.... :p ) I get tripped up when folks try to change a debate into a polemic. If someone pulls out an argument that in [i]my[/i] experience is not true then I tend to call people on it. Sadly I am [i]less[/i] likely to notice this in an argument/polemic that supports my stance, though there is at least one Pathfinder supporter that makes me grit my teeth.... Strawman arguments bother me on either side. The Auld Grump [/QUOTE]
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