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<blockquote data-quote="Artoomis" data-source="post: 3131239" data-attributes="member: 111">That is a patently false statement as I will show:.Can your Fly Speed be used in a pure Oxygen environment (this is not &quot;air&quot;)?How about a poisonous gas (this is not &quot;air&quot;)?etc., etc.Clearly the Fly Movement rules do not ONLY allow flying in the air.The limit of what is permitted with Fly is not specifically stated in the core rules.&nbsp; We know you CAN fly in the air.&nbsp; We know that is not restrictive to ONLY air (I am pretty sure everyone agrees with that).&nbsp; We do NOT know if that includes underwater movement or not.Where is the&nbsp; line?&nbsp; In a magical world, how thick does a fog get before you cannot fly in it?&nbsp; In a magical world you can probably find fog that varies from light fog to being virtually underwater.&nbsp; What things OTHER than air are permissiable for flight?&nbsp; Where do you draw the line?&nbsp; And why do you draw the line where you do? Certainly not from any rules guidance.Thus, while flight underwater is not specifically permitted, it is not specifically denied, either.It's a pure DM choice, with some guidance from the 3.0 Motp and the old FAQ, plus you can apply (perhaps) existing swimming rules (using fly spedd as the base speed) or maybe use the Hampered Movement rules modifed a bit for flight.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Artoomis, post: 3131239, member: 111"] That is a patently false statement as I will show:. Can your Fly Speed be used in a pure Oxygen environment (this is not "air")? How about a poisonous gas (this is not "air")? etc., etc. Clearly the Fly Movement rules do not ONLY allow flying in the air. The limit of what is permitted with Fly is not specifically stated in the core rules. We know you CAN fly in the air. We know that is not restrictive to ONLY air (I am pretty sure everyone agrees with that). We do NOT know if that includes underwater movement or not. Where is the line? In a magical world, how thick does a fog get before you cannot fly in it? In a magical world you can probably find fog that varies from light fog to being virtually underwater. What things OTHER than air are permissiable for flight? Where do you draw the line? And why do you draw the line where you do? Certainly not from any rules guidance. Thus, while flight underwater is not specifically permitted, it is not specifically denied, either. It's a pure DM choice, with some guidance from the 3.0 Motp and the old FAQ, plus you can apply (perhaps) existing swimming rules (using fly spedd as the base speed) or maybe use the Hampered Movement rules modifed a bit for flight. [/QUOTE]

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