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Message: <blockquote data-quote="paulewaug" data-source="post: 1137896" data-attributes="member: 5899">Just to chime in here with a little support for Kai Lord and Underworld both!Personally my feelings about the movie are very similar to Kai Lord's and I commend him for holding his ground and doing a nice job of explaining his view.I enjoyed the movie very much, I was glad to see it was Not "Romeo&Juliet + Vampires&Werewolves"I thought they did a nice job of putting across some subtle points of what was going on and how "looking into the past was forbidden" (and of course we see why it is shown what Viktor was up too)Much of what I could say about the movie had been pretty well covered by Kai Lord.  And seeing as how this thread originally was not a review thread I won't weigh in too much on the subject.I will add that I felt part of the growing change of the movie included a passing on of heritage from Lucian to Michael and Selene.  Michael's receiving Lucien’s memories and learning the truth as well as Selene learning the truth about the Vamps and Lycans.She had been under the deception, as had most all of the vamps, that the Lycans started the war, when as we see that was not the case.Also their was very much a love story subtext to the overall action war conflict going on.  The original love between Viktor’s daughter and Lucian, and then of course between Selene and Michael.  Granted Selene and Michael Both had a lot going on so they never just lock up and get funky, but you can see a connection made between the 2 of them right at the very beginning before the conflict even starts.  A connection is definitely made when they first lock eyes with each other, and then they move on.Now just because Selene was so busy getting caught up in the war and the conspiracy that she didn't recognize her feelings for Michael doesn't mean that (the blond vampire) was incorrect in her assertion of Selene liking Michael.Evidenced by Michael showing up at the gate later and Selene's reaction, she leaves with the knowledge that she may never come back and takes him to the safest place she knows of.She gives him the gun with the silver-whatsit bullets, and doesn't say "Do your self a favor and end it before you change" She says "One bullet should be enough to stall off the transformation for a while." (or something like that)And also warns him that when he changes he Will kill, regardless of what he wants, so she "locks him up."If all she wanted was to keep him away from the Lycans she would likely just have killed him, it was only the fact she was falling in love that stopped her from it.Michael Not perusing Selene is the exact thing he needed to do to get the girl (contrary to most movies would have us believe)  Her interest level in him went up and up, where as Kraven was tiresome.Now to get back OnTopic a bit:Yes we Do see that Vamps are unnaturally strong and tough, evidence of them being tough is that Normal bullets don't really do the trick it was only when the Lycans get the blue bullets that they become a real threat in the firearms department.Also it is indicated that Vamps can transform others at will and those that are warriors are dangerous but need to use weapons whereas the Lycans, whenthey change, are physically more dangerous.It is also shown they are both Very fast, and i would figure their speeds a match for each other as the vamps dodge gunfire pretty well (but not "Neo style" thank God <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f644.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes    :rolleyes:"  data-smilie="11"data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /> I say this because of the fact they were dark coats and clothes and lots of gunfire of course brings up the matrix comparisons, personally I enjoyed this more. But that is just IMO)They do evidence regenerative powers, by Selene's very nasty wound going away after she rests, and yes it is shown that the vampires, at least While Active, are alive.But it also looks like they are Undead to a degree as well.  Because for all intents and purpose Marcus and Viktor are Dead.  No physical Or Mental activity while they are down.  The blood brings them "Back to Life" allowing them to think and move around. I though this was cool and made them more interesting.Now we don't know for sure that lycans are Immortal because Lucien is the Oldest around I'm pretty sure, and we know he is not as old as Viktor, but the fact that he is still around is evidence that they are, at the very least, extremely long lived.I thought it was cool how Michael as a Hybrid was super monster but not able to just totally tear up Viktor.  For a minute I was disappointed because it looked like he would make short work of him, he certainly did appear to be faster, but Viktor's experience proved and edge.I like that Selene was able to sort of catch him off guard to finish the battle.Although it would have been ok if the fight lasted longer  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />It was funny because I seem to recall something mentioned about "an end to the conflict" and I was thinking "well that would suck wouldn't it?! Where is the fun in that?!" he heWhy have monsters with cool powers if they can't beat the heck out of each other?!</blockquote>

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