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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nifelhein" data-source="post: 1411103" data-attributes="member: 14129">Kenji shows some quite good law knowledge, not the legal stuff and text in itself but the very thing that make any law legitimate in the first case, I totally agree, if there is a law forbidding something that is common practice it is certainly not a law anymore, only rigid and dogmatic people would stand that point of view and that has made many dictatorships in the 20th century.On blaming oneself for not owning a copy of the original product of Microsoft, yes, I do say I don't, it is common here in Brazil, even companies don't buy it and most stand out of the law, they would try and make sure the law is followed but that would be a waste, else companies are shifting their systems to Linux... To know the extense of the problem, you usually buy computers with Windows and Office in it, all are illegal copies though.LightPhoenix,I did not want to say it was less i9llegal, I wanted to say that the problem is a lot deeper than it is said here and that we are debating just a small portion of the problem, sure my examples are not P2P, they were not when I wrote them, what I poinetd out was that if the products prices were closer to the reality of the common user/ customer and that the publishers/ producers offered differentials to what one can easily have, most people would indeed get a copy of the original thing.The pdfs are a interesting move in rpgs because the price is much closer to what one can actually afford to pay, that said, I think I would not get a pdf product illegaly when I cqan buy it for 3 or 5 at rpgnow or some other store, suporting the producer/ writer and artists is always a concern I have.Sure some people do not behave that way, I cannot take the blame for those kind of people though, but while some people have said that the weapon maker thing was dumb, in fact it stands very well in a legal statement, P2P will never be illegal in itself and all those who have Kazaa installed on their systems here are possible co-authors in any crime if you would like to stand that point of view, after all, P2P work by having super nodes and any user can mark that damn box to be one, thus helping all those who commite crimes.OGL is free, none needs to have the book to use it or have it, if they would release their pieces that way P2P would surely not die but I do think that the customers would be much more surprised, not a single company of rpg producing has made that move I stated and I can say that is just plain silly, I think doing it would surely not hurt their busniness more than the P2P does, in fact I believe it would make a very important distinction, the product itself must be more than a single work that is released as OGL. Consider the SRD, for instance, you can have it for free but when you actually get the book you see that you clearly get a much superior product, they use the same base though.The actual legal term, whether theft, copyright infringement is of less importance too, illegal it surely is. The root of copyright is to protect the original author and make sure he got paid by those who use it, if the copyright law can be changed in such a way as to make the author still be payed and to allow people to share files, I thinkw e can have the optimum way of doing things.My example of Windows was intended to show that while we have someone who we like to protect things are one way but it surely turns against Microsoft most of the time, I doubt any other product is used in such an extense with illegal copies as Windows and Microsoft Office is.If Windows and Office would not cost that much or they had a free version and a differential vesion for paying customers, they could have less illegal use, I believe, I would have the freee one, that is for sure, I hate illegal use and that is just what I would be looking for, now to pay a hundred dollars for a copy of a software that has thousands of problems, that we have no support for and that we will have to buy again in a few years, no that is not something I would be doing... ever.</blockquote>

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