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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TripleAught" data-source="post: 7703841" data-attributes="member: 42279">I'm not sold on the Whisper Bard. My perception of the bard class we have so far in 5e is an enabler of the rest of the party. This sub-class really seems to be geared toward the Bard doing his own thing.Venomous Blades: Using inspiration die on yourself in combat. First, why are you attacking instead of casting Vicious Mockery? VM costs no resources and makes your front line stand up a little longer.Venomous Words: You're alone. For 10 minutes. Which means the rest of the party isn't doing anything (if you're taking the DMs attention) and then you've only removed 1 NPC (probably non-combat anyway if it was willing to talk with you for 10 mintues) for 1 hour.Mantle of Whispers: The part that kills (pun intended) this ability for me is that the target has to die from your attack/spell within 5 feet of you. You have to be the one to kill it... while you could have the fighter do some non-lethal damage, it feels like you're doing a lot of work to set this ability up.  I see it more likely getting used on 1/4CR NPCs.Shadow Lore: Has some interesting social pillar potential but it comes really late. And you're DM will need to be an active participant in what the person is willing to do for you. Makes this one really swingy in terms of what you could get out of it.Someone mentioned it earlier in the thread. It's great to have niche sub-classes but mechanically, I'm going to compare this with the PHB. Do I get something as good as 2 spells or 2 attacks at level 6? If they can make the abilities on-par with that kind non-situational power for the bards, then I think the new sub-classes could get some real traction.</blockquote>

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