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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 7704757" data-attributes="member: 15700">So I should expect options for level draining, save or die, and THAC0 to return?That's the point I'm getting at.  Just because you might not be getting the exact option you want, doesn't mean they are excluding the entire fanbase of that edition, or paying lip service to 4e fans.  It just means that maybe your preferred mechanic is only shared by a smaller number, and thus really isn't worth the time to create options for it.  Just like I shouldn't expect my options to be present at some point.  and judging by 5e's success (one of the most popular editions ever), it doesn't seem that they are excluding a loyal customer base at all.  They are a business, and business is doing extremely well compared to the previous edition.  Ultimately that's the only thing that matters.  You weren't given lip service ,and that's what I mean by trying to paint yourself as a victim.  they did what they said they were going to do.  5e has pulled inspiration from every edition.  Just like save or die, THAC0, and level draining, there will be some things from 4e that won't ever make it in.  That in no way means they are paying 4e fans lip service.  For some reason you (and a lot of other 4e fans I've seen) seem to act like you're the only ones who had their favorite edition stop, and demand more than fans of any other edition of what you want.  The reality is that if your preferences are shared only by a minority, then you probably won't see them.  Again, just like my preferences of level draining and save or die.If they were going to pull everyone's favorite rules from 4e in, then it would have been 4.5e, and not 5e.</blockquote>

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