Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Rocket your D&D 5E and Level Up: Advanced 5E games into space! Alpha Star Magazine Is Launching... Right Now!
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Unearthed Arcana Fighter: Samurai, Sharpshooter, Arcane Archer & Knight
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7704768" data-attributes="member: 996"><p>I'm sure that somewhere on the blasted battlefields of the edition war, there's a post to that effect. </p><p></p><p>And, short of that, I must have questioned the relevance or plausibility of the /reasons/ given for disliking it on occasion, I'm sure.</p><p></p><p>Psoinics, encumbrance, speed factor, weapon v armor type, threatening reach...</p><p></p><p>I think part of it is psychological and part of it is practical. It just feels good to see the things you want being placed as high as possible in that hierarchy of officialdom (ie PH standard > AL-official > PH opt-in > DMG opt-in > later supplement opt-in > UA > DMsG > 3pp > EN5ider > house rules - I'm guessing, I'd put print 3pp above DMsG, but I doubt most would agree, for instance). </p><p>In the practical sense, the more-official/less-optional DMs perceive something you'd like to play, the easier it'll be to find a game where it's available. </p><p>The more confident you are that the thing in question is worthy, the more likely you'll be perfectly happy with it not being opt-in: not in the standard game 'only' an option in the PH (like Multi-Classing, for instance), or even only in a later supplement or UA. </p><p>Conversely, if you want to deprive others of the chance to play something even when you're not DMing (or even playing at their table to make a case against it in person), you want to hold the line on it as far down the hierarchy as possible. The more you believe the idea is genuinely bad rather than just a matter of personal distaste, the higher up the chain you'll be able to tolerate it crawling.</p><p></p><p>Level Drain was truly horrible, IMHO, but it's not complicated to implement. A discussion on alternate ways to deal with it might have been nice, though. I could imagine it discussing various ways of re-gaining drained levels, for instance, from long rest/level to re-earning a reduced amount of exp to completely out of luck.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 7704768, member: 996"] I'm sure that somewhere on the blasted battlefields of the edition war, there's a post to that effect. And, short of that, I must have questioned the relevance or plausibility of the /reasons/ given for disliking it on occasion, I'm sure. Psoinics, encumbrance, speed factor, weapon v armor type, threatening reach... I think part of it is psychological and part of it is practical. It just feels good to see the things you want being placed as high as possible in that hierarchy of officialdom (ie PH standard > AL-official > PH opt-in > DMG opt-in > later supplement opt-in > UA > DMsG > 3pp > EN5ider > house rules - I'm guessing, I'd put print 3pp above DMsG, but I doubt most would agree, for instance). In the practical sense, the more-official/less-optional DMs perceive something you'd like to play, the easier it'll be to find a game where it's available. The more confident you are that the thing in question is worthy, the more likely you'll be perfectly happy with it not being opt-in: not in the standard game 'only' an option in the PH (like Multi-Classing, for instance), or even only in a later supplement or UA. Conversely, if you want to deprive others of the chance to play something even when you're not DMing (or even playing at their table to make a case against it in person), you want to hold the line on it as far down the hierarchy as possible. The more you believe the idea is genuinely bad rather than just a matter of personal distaste, the higher up the chain you'll be able to tolerate it crawling. Level Drain was truly horrible, IMHO, but it's not complicated to implement. A discussion on alternate ways to deal with it might have been nice, though. I could imagine it discussing various ways of re-gaining drained levels, for instance, from long rest/level to re-earning a reduced amount of exp to completely out of luck. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Unearthed Arcana Fighter: Samurai, Sharpshooter, Arcane Archer & Knight
Top