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<blockquote data-quote="Cap'n Kobold" data-source="post: 8181731" data-attributes="member: 6802951"><p>It helps to think of dwarves not just as small humans, but as much more dense and probably broader. They may be shorter, but they have even more muscle mass than a human of the same weight - and an average dwarf weighs more than an average human.</p><p></p><p>Also, the difference in strength between builds as different as Halflings, which average 40lbs, and Goliaths, which average 310lbs is only a +2. That, to put it bluntly, is "chump change" physiologically.</p><p>The difference in strength between builds as similar as human men and women is around +4 I think. Given that, a mere +2 difference between a humanoid the size of Arnold in his prime , and one the size of an infant school child seems mostly irrelevant. Since I have no intentions of actually applying a gender-based adjustment, I really don't worry too much about applying such a minor racial one.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> Morrus, this misrepresentation of the situation <em>really</em> bugs me.</p><p></p><p>You already could play a "Strong bodybuilding elf" or a halfling capable of beating a bodybuilding goliath in an armwrestle. </p><p>Your starting elf bodybuilder with a strength of 17 is stronger than even fairly strong goliaths. Your halfling titan with a strength of 20 is already stronger than the vast majority of goliaths, even goliath bodybuilders. It would take a goliath at absolutely peak strength - olympic level rather than mere bodybuilder to even match Zidi.</p><p></p><p>The new adjustment system isn't enabling you to play a "strong" character of a race that didn't have a strength bonus previously. Its to play a character with the <em>maximum possible</em> strength bonus for <em>any</em> character. </p><p></p><p>And it is <em>this </em>attitude that is fostered - this sentiment that you cannot consider yourself "strong" unless you can match the very strongest person around, or you cannot be "intelligent" unless you are as bright as the very best minds etcetera. - I find that an <em>absolutely poisonous</em> sentiment when expressed in real life, and no better in D&D.</p><p></p><p> Whew. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/rant.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":rant:" title="Rant :rant:" data-shortname=":rant:" /> OK. That out of the way, I quite like the three lineage concepts in the UA. They're pretty exotic, and that is likely an issue for a few DMs,. They do seem a good mechanical representation of some pretty iconic character concepts though. (Although probably a few places where the actual wording of the mechanics could do with tightening up a bit.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cap'n Kobold, post: 8181731, member: 6802951"] It helps to think of dwarves not just as small humans, but as much more dense and probably broader. They may be shorter, but they have even more muscle mass than a human of the same weight - and an average dwarf weighs more than an average human. Also, the difference in strength between builds as different as Halflings, which average 40lbs, and Goliaths, which average 310lbs is only a +2. That, to put it bluntly, is "chump change" physiologically. The difference in strength between builds as similar as human men and women is around +4 I think. Given that, a mere +2 difference between a humanoid the size of Arnold in his prime , and one the size of an infant school child seems mostly irrelevant. Since I have no intentions of actually applying a gender-based adjustment, I really don't worry too much about applying such a minor racial one. Morrus, this misrepresentation of the situation [I]really[/I] bugs me. You already could play a "Strong bodybuilding elf" or a halfling capable of beating a bodybuilding goliath in an armwrestle. Your starting elf bodybuilder with a strength of 17 is stronger than even fairly strong goliaths. Your halfling titan with a strength of 20 is already stronger than the vast majority of goliaths, even goliath bodybuilders. It would take a goliath at absolutely peak strength - olympic level rather than mere bodybuilder to even match Zidi. The new adjustment system isn't enabling you to play a "strong" character of a race that didn't have a strength bonus previously. Its to play a character with the [I]maximum possible[/I] strength bonus for [I]any[/I] character. And it is [I]this [/I]attitude that is fostered - this sentiment that you cannot consider yourself "strong" unless you can match the very strongest person around, or you cannot be "intelligent" unless you are as bright as the very best minds etcetera. - I find that an [I]absolutely poisonous[/I] sentiment when expressed in real life, and no better in D&D. Whew. :rant: OK. That out of the way, I quite like the three lineage concepts in the UA. They're pretty exotic, and that is likely an issue for a few DMs,. They do seem a good mechanical representation of some pretty iconic character concepts though. (Although probably a few places where the actual wording of the mechanics could do with tightening up a bit.) [/QUOTE]
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