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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Scott Christian" data-source="post: 8183088" data-attributes="member: 6901101">This is what the non-ASI side eventually boils down to. I don't think those on the other side ever really need to argue about how a thri-keen might have a different mind than a human. They do, and it is accepted.But the non-ASI side, in the end and from my interpretation always boils down to - we want character attributes to be on even footing at the start of the game. (And there is nothing wrong with that.) I have seen it argued it literally ruins their game to see two fighters, one with an extra +5% (not you Charaquin).To the ASI side this sounds like - I want it now. It also seems to disregards any racial feats that the weaker fighter might get. Here is an example:Two fighters. One dwarf, one elf. The dwarf gets to start with an extra +1 in strength via PHB point buy. It is an advantage, except the elven fighter can regain all their hit points in four hours as opposed to eight. That too is an advantage. I feel certain people could debate which advantage is better.As for disregarding the level argument:It is still valid, and should be even more valid to you, since most campaigns do not go past level 6. That means you should really be arguing to start everyone out with a 20. Last one. I am confused by your comment. All classes that are the same get the same HP, correct. But we are discussing how different races start with different advantages. Therefore, I was making it analogous of how different classes start with different advantages. Different races, different classes. Maybe I am missing something in your interpretation.</blockquote>

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