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<blockquote data-quote="Charlaquin" data-source="post: 8183226" data-attributes="member: 6779196"><p>I’d say that’s an accurate assessment of the position, yeah.</p><p></p><p>Yeah, I don’t think it ruins the game, but I do think it’s meaningfully harmful to the gaming experience of the player who’s fighter is 5% less accurate, does 1 less damage on all of their attacks, can’t carry as much, etc. just because they wanted to play an elf.</p><p></p><p>Well, that’s silly. It’s not “I want more stuff now,” it’s “I want the game to be fair to everyone.”</p><p></p><p>Sure. If it’s strongly felt that balance between races would need another pass if racial ASIs were to go away, I think there’s a much more productive discussion to be had about how best to do that, rather than whether or not to remove racial ASIs.</p><p></p><p>No, because the point isn’t that everyone should be able to max out their primary stat during the course of the campaign. The point is that nobody should, as a result of their race choice, be forced to play an inferior member of their class for a significant portion of the campaign. That they can eventually catch up doesn’t make up for the time they had to spend being worse than everyone else.</p><p></p><p>I think you are, yes. Different classes start with different HP and gain different amounts of HP on level up. That’s fine, because it’s solely dependent on your class choice. An elf barbarian doesn’t have less HP than a half-orc barbarian (unless they have lower constitution, but if they do, it’s because of an intentional choice the player made to put fewer points into con so they’d have more points to put into something else.) An elf barbarian <em>does</em>, however, have less strength than a half-orc barbarian. Now, if that was a choice the elf’s player made in order to boost something else, that would be fine. But with fixed racial ASIs, the elf barbarian has no choice in the matter. They either have to live with having a weak barbarian or pick another race.</p><p></p><p>What the ASI crowd wants is equal opportunity. If you don’t mind playing a weak barbarian, fine. But if you want to play a barbarian who’s on par with other Barbarians, you shouldn’t be locked out of playing some races.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Charlaquin, post: 8183226, member: 6779196"] I’d say that’s an accurate assessment of the position, yeah. Yeah, I don’t think it ruins the game, but I do think it’s meaningfully harmful to the gaming experience of the player who’s fighter is 5% less accurate, does 1 less damage on all of their attacks, can’t carry as much, etc. just because they wanted to play an elf. Well, that’s silly. It’s not “I want more stuff now,” it’s “I want the game to be fair to everyone.” Sure. If it’s strongly felt that balance between races would need another pass if racial ASIs were to go away, I think there’s a much more productive discussion to be had about how best to do that, rather than whether or not to remove racial ASIs. No, because the point isn’t that everyone should be able to max out their primary stat during the course of the campaign. The point is that nobody should, as a result of their race choice, be forced to play an inferior member of their class for a significant portion of the campaign. That they can eventually catch up doesn’t make up for the time they had to spend being worse than everyone else. I think you are, yes. Different classes start with different HP and gain different amounts of HP on level up. That’s fine, because it’s solely dependent on your class choice. An elf barbarian doesn’t have less HP than a half-orc barbarian (unless they have lower constitution, but if they do, it’s because of an intentional choice the player made to put fewer points into con so they’d have more points to put into something else.) An elf barbarian [I]does[/I], however, have less strength than a half-orc barbarian. Now, if that was a choice the elf’s player made in order to boost something else, that would be fine. But with fixed racial ASIs, the elf barbarian has no choice in the matter. They either have to live with having a weak barbarian or pick another race. What the ASI crowd wants is equal opportunity. If you don’t mind playing a weak barbarian, fine. But if you want to play a barbarian who’s on par with other Barbarians, you shouldn’t be locked out of playing some races. [/QUOTE]
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