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<blockquote data-quote="Stefano Rinaldelli" data-source="post: 8184414" data-attributes="member: 6791994"><p>Don't have time. Excuse me. it is sufficient to scroll the thread. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Don't mess with concept <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" />. I don't think anything. It is a fact that an orc, as depicted, is stronger than an halfling as the rules of physiology are the same in Faerun and in the Real World (and there is no suggestion of the opposite). Spartans and Athenian are different:</p><p></p><p>1. they both are humans</p><p>2. they aren't of different races</p><p>3. if they have different strenght in average is by cultural difference and do not regards ASI which is applyed in the race choosing phase, where class heritage, culture and so on are not yet applied.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Don't use hyperbole to ridiculize my thoughts, it is not fair. I don't belevie that we are on the edge of cultural apocalypse. I believe that changing the meaning of words and pervert logical human constructs (as a rule system) by ideology is wrong. This could lead to a dystopic society if rationality do not prevail, obviously but we are far from that now. Now. If a society is not capable to arginate this drift in the beginning, the whole think could go on and like a train will be difficult to stop. In total honesty i've seen this kind of drifts more than one time in US history. It seem to me that US people is less immune to this kind of witch hunting attitude than European people. Maybe because we've seen it on our skin and flesh. And remember that the road to hell is paved with good intentions.</p><p>if you think that my perception of the importance of ASI is a distortion, I can only say to you that timings are significant, and the definition of ASI as cultural flash in the dark like a fireball. It is a scientific project aimed to remove all embarassment from the word RACE in the game. As I sad before: no sense to continue this opposition between me and you if you disagree. I cannot demonstrate it to you nor you to me.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Good point. But to voluntarily ignore the fact that a giant do not collapse is very different to voluntarily ignore that two creatures with enormous difference in size and complexion have exactly the same chance to be very strong. At least for me. It is obviously a matter of shades from easy to suspend to impossible to suspend the disbelief and I agree that this could be a matter of individual sensibility and knowledge.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It is not necessarily silly, nor pet peeves, nor myopic. It is as I see it: everybody can see that remove ASI creates an hole in mechanics representing differences in races. But as the conversation go on I can clearly see your point of view and respect it. The true divergence is about the idelogical part. You negate its presence so your acceptance of the changes is quiet and tend to see positive effects (no standard combo etc). I want a fictional world in which racial differencies exist because I put them into being from the first time. (Don't want a real world where racial difference are built from nowhere to maintain an ethnic power over others, obviously).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Stefano Rinaldelli, post: 8184414, member: 6791994"] Don't have time. Excuse me. it is sufficient to scroll the thread. Don't mess with concept ;). I don't think anything. It is a fact that an orc, as depicted, is stronger than an halfling as the rules of physiology are the same in Faerun and in the Real World (and there is no suggestion of the opposite). Spartans and Athenian are different: 1. they both are humans 2. they aren't of different races 3. if they have different strenght in average is by cultural difference and do not regards ASI which is applyed in the race choosing phase, where class heritage, culture and so on are not yet applied. Don't use hyperbole to ridiculize my thoughts, it is not fair. I don't belevie that we are on the edge of cultural apocalypse. I believe that changing the meaning of words and pervert logical human constructs (as a rule system) by ideology is wrong. This could lead to a dystopic society if rationality do not prevail, obviously but we are far from that now. Now. If a society is not capable to arginate this drift in the beginning, the whole think could go on and like a train will be difficult to stop. In total honesty i've seen this kind of drifts more than one time in US history. It seem to me that US people is less immune to this kind of witch hunting attitude than European people. Maybe because we've seen it on our skin and flesh. And remember that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. if you think that my perception of the importance of ASI is a distortion, I can only say to you that timings are significant, and the definition of ASI as cultural flash in the dark like a fireball. It is a scientific project aimed to remove all embarassment from the word RACE in the game. As I sad before: no sense to continue this opposition between me and you if you disagree. I cannot demonstrate it to you nor you to me. Good point. But to voluntarily ignore the fact that a giant do not collapse is very different to voluntarily ignore that two creatures with enormous difference in size and complexion have exactly the same chance to be very strong. At least for me. It is obviously a matter of shades from easy to suspend to impossible to suspend the disbelief and I agree that this could be a matter of individual sensibility and knowledge. It is not necessarily silly, nor pet peeves, nor myopic. It is as I see it: everybody can see that remove ASI creates an hole in mechanics representing differences in races. But as the conversation go on I can clearly see your point of view and respect it. The true divergence is about the idelogical part. You negate its presence so your acceptance of the changes is quiet and tend to see positive effects (no standard combo etc). I want a fictional world in which racial differencies exist because I put them into being from the first time. (Don't want a real world where racial difference are built from nowhere to maintain an ethnic power over others, obviously). [/QUOTE]
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