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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Levistus's_Leviathan" data-source="post: 8187385" data-attributes="member: 7023887">I thought that you meant that they would be completely Strength based, not Dex based at all? Did you not? If you do mean that, it would be much more than 1 point of AC they're losing. And the only finesse one that the Rogue is proficient in is the Dagger, which is 1d4 damage, and has a range of 20/60. I don't know about you, but I would definitely consider having a range of 20/60 "less access to ranged combat" than the Dex-based rogue that can use a Shortbow (1d6 damage, range 80/320 feet) or longbow (if an Elf or other race that can get longbow proficiency), which is 1d8 damage and 150/600 feet range. I'm not going to even argue this. You're wrong. You know why you're wrong (hint HIDE CUNNING ACTION IS A BASE ROGUE FEATURE). Stop arguing in bad faith, please. No. Dex saves are more important. More spells require Dex saves than Con. And rogues have features that benefit from having higher Dex saves. Show me a rogue subclass that is based off of Strength and helps them be Strength-based and I'll concede this point. Dexterity is more useful than Strength for a rogue if subclass features encourage Dexterity.</blockquote>