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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cap'n Kobold" data-source="post: 8197170" data-attributes="member: 6802951">So here, you appear to be claiming that 15 in a stat isn't extraordinary.And here you are saying that it is.Do you think that there is a chance that you might have misrepresented the people in the first statement and the ones similar to it?What on earth makes you claim that?There is nothing wrong with that. It is a good justification for putting your high roll or score into that ability.Claiming that the character is non-viable without an additional +2 to whatever you rolled/assigned to that ability is what distinguishes the optimiser.That is not what you said that people have said.This is what you said. What you claimed that people here were saying.Now, if, in fact there aren't people claiming that it should be literally impossible for any halfling to be stronger than average, them it would appear that your earlier post where you claimed there were was a fabrication and you may owe them an apology.I've no issue with a being approaching demigod status that has specialised in doing something really well, can regularly achieve feats that a commoner would view as impossible.Bear in mind that in most situations, a PC could achieve that average task without needing a roll. Only in situations that the DM deems are stressful enough to require a roll is there a 50%/55% chance of failure.I've got no issue with you not feeling happy playing a character that can't meet any particular qualification you choose to set. - Your requirements for enjoyment are your own personal business.And I fully accept that a character with a 15 in an ability score is going to be slightly worse at things governed by it than a character with a 16. Just as that character with a 16 is going to be worse at those things by the one with an 18 in it.What I am objecting to is the claim that the character with the 15 "sucks", or isn't viable, or that someone with an effective 15 in a stat isn't strong, or bright or whatever. That is rank elitism, whether you're claiming it on an internet board, telling a new player that when you see their character, or saying the equivalent to someone in a non-D&D context.</blockquote>

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