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<blockquote data-quote="JEB" data-source="post: 8198470" data-attributes="member: 10148"><p>Yes, I'm well aware of this, and in fact that's basically what I said. In any case, as you say, it's not so simple to reverse-engineer lizardfolk stats or the like into a PC version. Much easier to rely on adjustments provided by Wizards.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The issue is, Wizards of the Coast shouldn't stop supporting one approach to character race design, one that many people still like, when it's very easy for them to support both the old and new approaches. </p><p></p><p>Also, regarding homebrew... I feel like this is obvious, but official guidelines are generally better than any homebrew that can be found. It's nice to have something that was created by professional game designers, ones that also have an intimate familiarity with the ruleset and the game's lore. So "homebrew exists" is not a compelling argument against having Wizards provide default adjustments. </p><p></p><p>Furthermore, if "homebrew exists" is to be taken as a general argument against official rules, it could also be argued that we didn't need official rules for floating ASIs. But we got them, and I assume you consider that a good thing, right?</p><p></p><p>BTW, why does it even matter that folks who liked the old approach got "five to seven years of releases"?</p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm not so sure about that. The voices that wanted Tasha's to be default rather than optional were much louder, so I wouldn't be surprised if they were mainly concerned with making that unhappy audience happy.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, I find it very unlikely that Wizards will never again release a supplement with a non-template-style character race. Every 5E campaign setting book, for example, has had new character races or subraces. Thri-kreen are a good example, since they're an iconic Dark Sun race (and I find it pretty hard to believe that they'll do 11 varieties of kreen, just as an excuse for floating ASIs). Dragonlance has kender and draconians. Planescape has rogue modrons, bariaurs, and many more. And if we get any more Magic: The Gathering supplements, I think it's a given they'll include new races too.</p><p></p><p></p><p>No, the player wants official defaults so they don't have to worry about it, they have an official standard to rely on. They can be confident that they've chosen an authoritative, objective answer, rather than their DM's opinion on the matter. Certainly better than an uncertain player getting a random choice from an uncertain DM.</p><p></p><p></p><p>"It's so easy" isn't a compelling argument against Wizards providing default recommendations either. It's also very "easy" to know where to place your best ability scores for a given class, and yet Wizards provides that advice with the classes in the PHB. Why not do the same for character races going forward?</p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm not that concerned with the dhampir, hexblood, or reborn; although default suggestions would have been nice, they're not traditional character races, really just templates. I'm only concerned with their decision not to have fixed ASIs for any future character race in 5E, as that will make more traditional sorts of races harder to use for some players. And all they have to do to avert that is include default suggestions. It's easy and inclusive.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JEB, post: 8198470, member: 10148"] Yes, I'm well aware of this, and in fact that's basically what I said. In any case, as you say, it's not so simple to reverse-engineer lizardfolk stats or the like into a PC version. Much easier to rely on adjustments provided by Wizards. The issue is, Wizards of the Coast shouldn't stop supporting one approach to character race design, one that many people still like, when it's very easy for them to support both the old and new approaches. Also, regarding homebrew... I feel like this is obvious, but official guidelines are generally better than any homebrew that can be found. It's nice to have something that was created by professional game designers, ones that also have an intimate familiarity with the ruleset and the game's lore. So "homebrew exists" is not a compelling argument against having Wizards provide default adjustments. Furthermore, if "homebrew exists" is to be taken as a general argument against official rules, it could also be argued that we didn't need official rules for floating ASIs. But we got them, and I assume you consider that a good thing, right? BTW, why does it even matter that folks who liked the old approach got "five to seven years of releases"? I'm not so sure about that. The voices that wanted Tasha's to be default rather than optional were much louder, so I wouldn't be surprised if they were mainly concerned with making that unhappy audience happy. Yes, I find it very unlikely that Wizards will never again release a supplement with a non-template-style character race. Every 5E campaign setting book, for example, has had new character races or subraces. Thri-kreen are a good example, since they're an iconic Dark Sun race (and I find it pretty hard to believe that they'll do 11 varieties of kreen, just as an excuse for floating ASIs). Dragonlance has kender and draconians. Planescape has rogue modrons, bariaurs, and many more. And if we get any more Magic: The Gathering supplements, I think it's a given they'll include new races too. No, the player wants official defaults so they don't have to worry about it, they have an official standard to rely on. They can be confident that they've chosen an authoritative, objective answer, rather than their DM's opinion on the matter. Certainly better than an uncertain player getting a random choice from an uncertain DM. "It's so easy" isn't a compelling argument against Wizards providing default recommendations either. It's also very "easy" to know where to place your best ability scores for a given class, and yet Wizards provides that advice with the classes in the PHB. Why not do the same for character races going forward? I'm not that concerned with the dhampir, hexblood, or reborn; although default suggestions would have been nice, they're not traditional character races, really just templates. I'm only concerned with their decision not to have fixed ASIs for any future character race in 5E, as that will make more traditional sorts of races harder to use for some players. And all they have to do to avert that is include default suggestions. It's easy and inclusive. [/QUOTE]
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