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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Scott Christian" data-source="post: 8201279" data-attributes="member: 6901101">With floating ASIs the halfling paladin will be more similar to the half-orc paladin. Apples to apples. With floating ASIs, they will increase in similarity because most players max out their two primary attributes. So they do increase in similarity. But there will also be an increase in halflings paladins, which could be a good thing. It is a give and take.I want races to have a difference between one another. ASIs are one way to do that. There are only so many mechanical factors one can adjust:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">HP</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Movement</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Proficiencies</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Language</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Vision/Hearing</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Skills</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Size (for carrying capacity)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Quirks (like dragon's breath or lucky)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">and Attributes</li> </ul>That's it. So will you please look at this list and tell me which one has the greatest mechanical impact on gameplay? For me, attributes is probably the greatest, although HP, quirks and movement are important as well. The point being, if we remove attributes from the things race modifies, then you are removing one of the tools used to make a difference between the races. Fewer differences makes them similar. This is why I say it was clunky.Because feats can be determined by culture. Please note, I am not talking about culture, as in: "Those dwarves make the sourest of sourdoughs around." I am talking about the bread and butter of this conversation - mechanical impacts of race - ASIs.Like I said, I am all for doing it a different way. If you use floating ASIs, I can't understand why. Just increase the point buy. It is literally the same exact thing. Remove the extra step. But if there is another way to show difference between race, then it must be feats. But I can't see feats being agnostic when it comes to class, or at least very few of them will maintain their neutrality. Then you have the entire debate again - why does the halfling get this cultural/racial feat that is so good for paladins? Why can't my half-orc get that feat?And then to take it a step further, if you make all feats available to all races, then you have almost zero mechanical difference between the races. (I'd still like to see a list of racial feats though.)Those are awesome! I like them. You should definitely continue to develop them. They are worth fleshing out.I agree, none of them require a specific ASI bonus.I like the question. In any way shape or form, I like the diverse culture better.That said, I also like a baseline for PCs and for them to be mechanically different from their tree friends who live down the road. I guess from my logic, people are not travelling 30-40 miles to get to work. You live by the ocean, you learn to clean a fish because that is what you are eating five times a week. You live in the forest, you learn to climb trees.I have stated it before: I would be fine giving regions the ASI and cultural feat bonuses instead of race. I would not care one bit, as long as they are mechanically different and players get to choose. So the dragonborn that grows up next to the halfling in the city of Verlay, where every child dreams of becoming a knight, gets proficiency with shields and a bonus in strength. Of course the problem with this is someone will come along and say, "I want my desert human to have the shield proficiency and the bonus in strength. Why can't I be an outlier and be like those people from Verlay." And then the conversation starts all over again.</blockquote>

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