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<blockquote data-quote="Scott Christian" data-source="post: 8204077" data-attributes="member: 6901101"><p>I didn't. I even stated:</p><p></p><p>I specifically said it is being debated as though your platform were <em>viewed</em> by you as a house of cards. Meaning it is defended so adamantly, that it's as though it is a house of cards. And notice at the end there - where I say it isn't a house of cards. It is a perfectly fine vantage point, and the argument doesn't fall apart either way.</p><p>This is another way of saying both sides are correct.</p><p></p><p>I have payed attention. And have pointed out numerous examples.</p><p>Do this for me, please.</p><p>Tell me a character to make. Any character. Any class. Any race. Tell me what you want in the attributes.</p><p>I will use racial ASI and point buy to create it. Any vision you have within the ruleset <strong>can</strong> be created - <strong>except for a 16 in the primary attribute.</strong></p><p></p><p>So I am by no means creating a strawman. I am pointing out that it is about that extra +1.</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">You say it is about player freedom.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">I point out that you have all the freedom except for an extra +1.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">You say it is about letting players create a character they want, not a racial trope.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">I say, the only trope with point buy is in your imagination, except for that extra +.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">You say people are against you and your way.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">I say no one is against you. You want to start with 16, go ahead. Cool.</li> </ul><p></p><p>The point is: stop blaming other people. No one here says the optional floating ASI rule shouldn't be used at your table. Stop blaming the need for floating ASI as player creativity and freedom. It's not. It is, in the end, to get an extra +. Why? Because you can build anything you desire using point buy and racial ASIs - except that 16 strength halfling, or the 16 intelligence half-orc or the 16 constitution elf or the 16 dexterity dwarf. Everything else CAN be built.</p><p></p><p>So my premise is no strawman. It is the actual fulcrum of the argument.</p><p></p><p>And again, I have stated so many times: let's walk down the road of racial feats or racial traits together and see what we can come up with that will make the races feel unique if we're going to remove racial ASIs. But, my guess is everyone feels the races are unique enough with things like Darkvision, Menacing, Relentless Endurance, and Savage Attacks. To me, those just don't reach the level of uniqueness I want, but I guess I am in the minority there.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scott Christian, post: 8204077, member: 6901101"] I didn't. I even stated: I specifically said it is being debated as though your platform were [I]viewed[/I] by you as a house of cards. Meaning it is defended so adamantly, that it's as though it is a house of cards. And notice at the end there - where I say it isn't a house of cards. It is a perfectly fine vantage point, and the argument doesn't fall apart either way. This is another way of saying both sides are correct. I have payed attention. And have pointed out numerous examples. Do this for me, please. Tell me a character to make. Any character. Any class. Any race. Tell me what you want in the attributes. I will use racial ASI and point buy to create it. Any vision you have within the ruleset [B]can[/B] be created - [B]except for a 16 in the primary attribute.[/B] So I am by no means creating a strawman. I am pointing out that it is about that extra +1. [LIST] [*]You say it is about player freedom. [*]I point out that you have all the freedom except for an extra +1. [*]You say it is about letting players create a character they want, not a racial trope. [*]I say, the only trope with point buy is in your imagination, except for that extra +. [*]You say people are against you and your way. [*]I say no one is against you. You want to start with 16, go ahead. Cool. [/LIST] The point is: stop blaming other people. No one here says the optional floating ASI rule shouldn't be used at your table. Stop blaming the need for floating ASI as player creativity and freedom. It's not. It is, in the end, to get an extra +. Why? Because you can build anything you desire using point buy and racial ASIs - except that 16 strength halfling, or the 16 intelligence half-orc or the 16 constitution elf or the 16 dexterity dwarf. Everything else CAN be built. So my premise is no strawman. It is the actual fulcrum of the argument. And again, I have stated so many times: let's walk down the road of racial feats or racial traits together and see what we can come up with that will make the races feel unique if we're going to remove racial ASIs. But, my guess is everyone feels the races are unique enough with things like Darkvision, Menacing, Relentless Endurance, and Savage Attacks. To me, those just don't reach the level of uniqueness I want, but I guess I am in the minority there. [/QUOTE]
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