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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8205360" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>No. </p><p></p><p>All it indicates is that they only wrote one version of dragonborn, and said "if you want to use the dragonborn traits for your dragonborn NPC, use the Dragonborn traits" </p><p></p><p>This is the most frustrating thing about this, you are acting like the fact they provided and option to match those two sets of abilities means that they assumed all members of the same race had the same abilities. And, even if you are right. Even if I concede this point. That assumption was left behind YEARS ago. So who cares?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So, it is impossible to tell if they did it one way or the other. So, why assume they made two numbers lower than they wanted, just so they could add in values to get what they wanted? That seems to be a rather silly step for them to have taken.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>But here is the problem with that argument. If they updated the baseline, why didn't they apply that <strong>new baseline</strong> to the creatures in that book or in future books? </p><p></p><p>No Lizardfolk in Ghosts of Saltmarsh has any of the racial traits of the new baseline that was established years before. If they still wanted NPCs and PCs to be the same, why is that? Why didn't Volo's Kobolds, Goblins, and Hobgoblins reflect the new rules? Why didn't the Githzerai or Duergar follow their new baseline for Mordenkainen's? </p><p></p><p>Every example I can find, there are discrepancies between the PCs and NPCs. Every time. And the closest you can get is assuming their intent at the start, when none of these changes existed.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I said Eladrin PCs don't match Eladrin NPCs. You defended by saying in 2e that was the case. Not sure why that matters for 5e, but you seemed to think it was a defense, and you brought up 2e.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Then what was the point of saying that you could decide that they are subraces when they aren't, and trying to use that to disprove the idea that a race with multiple subraces could have floating ASIs? I don't get what you are trying to achieve.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If Volo's is supposed to represent a new baseline, why ignore it? Or are you trying to say that in 2016 when Volo's was printed they changed the baseline, then in 2019 they changed it back? Without making any announcements or errata?</p><p></p><p>And you also want to say it isn't really a commoner, despite being called "commoner"? That's almost sticking your head in the sand man, ignoring evidence just because you want them to still be following the assumption you had.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Or</p><p></p><p>They presented an option to allow customizing with PC options on NPCs, referencing the only PC options they had, the races in the PHB. </p><p></p><p>Then they kept NPCs and PCs different through the years, which is fairly consistent with the evidence. </p><p></p><p>And now they've made a clarifying statement, because everyone has gotten bent out of shape about them nerfing all the races into being formless blobs, which isn't the case.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8205360, member: 6801228"] No. All it indicates is that they only wrote one version of dragonborn, and said "if you want to use the dragonborn traits for your dragonborn NPC, use the Dragonborn traits" This is the most frustrating thing about this, you are acting like the fact they provided and option to match those two sets of abilities means that they assumed all members of the same race had the same abilities. And, even if you are right. Even if I concede this point. That assumption was left behind YEARS ago. So who cares? So, it is impossible to tell if they did it one way or the other. So, why assume they made two numbers lower than they wanted, just so they could add in values to get what they wanted? That seems to be a rather silly step for them to have taken. But here is the problem with that argument. If they updated the baseline, why didn't they apply that [B]new baseline[/B] to the creatures in that book or in future books? No Lizardfolk in Ghosts of Saltmarsh has any of the racial traits of the new baseline that was established years before. If they still wanted NPCs and PCs to be the same, why is that? Why didn't Volo's Kobolds, Goblins, and Hobgoblins reflect the new rules? Why didn't the Githzerai or Duergar follow their new baseline for Mordenkainen's? Every example I can find, there are discrepancies between the PCs and NPCs. Every time. And the closest you can get is assuming their intent at the start, when none of these changes existed. I said Eladrin PCs don't match Eladrin NPCs. You defended by saying in 2e that was the case. Not sure why that matters for 5e, but you seemed to think it was a defense, and you brought up 2e. Then what was the point of saying that you could decide that they are subraces when they aren't, and trying to use that to disprove the idea that a race with multiple subraces could have floating ASIs? I don't get what you are trying to achieve. If Volo's is supposed to represent a new baseline, why ignore it? Or are you trying to say that in 2016 when Volo's was printed they changed the baseline, then in 2019 they changed it back? Without making any announcements or errata? And you also want to say it isn't really a commoner, despite being called "commoner"? That's almost sticking your head in the sand man, ignoring evidence just because you want them to still be following the assumption you had. Or They presented an option to allow customizing with PC options on NPCs, referencing the only PC options they had, the races in the PHB. Then they kept NPCs and PCs different through the years, which is fairly consistent with the evidence. And now they've made a clarifying statement, because everyone has gotten bent out of shape about them nerfing all the races into being formless blobs, which isn't the case. [/QUOTE]
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