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<blockquote data-quote="JEB" data-source="post: 8205749" data-attributes="member: 10148"><p>If that's your way of saying we can finally agree to disagree, I'm all for it!</p><p></p><p></p><p>My personal guess? An extension of that PHB + 1 philosophy. They assume any given player/DM is using the core rules, plus whatever new book is in question. One side effect is that developments in later books won't necessarily be reflected; this, as previously discussed, is also probably why so many reprints in some books.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The point there was, there's a history of different types of eladrin not having the same statistics that goes back well before 5E. So a difference between PC and NPC eladrin in 5E isn't necessarily reflective of anything as far as design philosophy.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, I only brought up that you could arguably see the dragonborn colors as subraces. You then tried to pivot that into the argument about subraces justifying the entire race having floating ASIs, to which I pushed back. You may also remember that I mentioned half-elf subraces as a thing; I was just being pedantic and thorough, not trying to "gotcha".</p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure, you're welcome to believe that. </p><p></p><p>Though it is rather interesting that if this had been their philosophy from the beginning - the rules for PC races didn't reflect the actual race - that the first time they stated it explicitly was six years into the edition, when the treatment of race in D&D had suddenly become a big PR problem. They had all that time to mention it. They could have mentioned it in the PHB or the DMG. In Volo's. In any number of interviews or articles. But they didn't. Funny, that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JEB, post: 8205749, member: 10148"] If that's your way of saying we can finally agree to disagree, I'm all for it! My personal guess? An extension of that PHB + 1 philosophy. They assume any given player/DM is using the core rules, plus whatever new book is in question. One side effect is that developments in later books won't necessarily be reflected; this, as previously discussed, is also probably why so many reprints in some books. The point there was, there's a history of different types of eladrin not having the same statistics that goes back well before 5E. So a difference between PC and NPC eladrin in 5E isn't necessarily reflective of anything as far as design philosophy. Again, I only brought up that you could arguably see the dragonborn colors as subraces. You then tried to pivot that into the argument about subraces justifying the entire race having floating ASIs, to which I pushed back. You may also remember that I mentioned half-elf subraces as a thing; I was just being pedantic and thorough, not trying to "gotcha". Sure, you're welcome to believe that. Though it is rather interesting that if this had been their philosophy from the beginning - the rules for PC races didn't reflect the actual race - that the first time they stated it explicitly was six years into the edition, when the treatment of race in D&D had suddenly become a big PR problem. They had all that time to mention it. They could have mentioned it in the PHB or the DMG. In Volo's. In any number of interviews or articles. But they didn't. Funny, that. [/QUOTE]
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