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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8205866" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>He showed you a statline, said "this is the character I want to make" </p><p></p><p>You then made a different statline, with different values and said "here is the character you wanted, made exactly the same" </p><p></p><p>So, no, he did exactly what you asked, and you refused to accept it. Just because the same numbers were still the highest doesn't mean crap, because that would be saying that (6 / 8 / 8 / 10 / 10 / 12) is an identical character to (8 / 10 /10 / 12 /12 /14)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You realize that player's don't have a choice to implement point buy, right? That that power rests with the DM? And yet, the option to use the standard array instead of rolling is 100% in the player's power. That is why some of us rely on that standard array, because the other option is rolling which has a plethora of issues. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure, if we remove ASIs and increase Point Buy it will accomplish the same thing. But those aren't the rules we have been given.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It is fine, and I'll accept your word for it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I definitely agree that is tremendously powerful, but on a 15th level character, maybe less so? </p><p></p><p>And I'm really coming to like this optional space more and more. The idea of creating racial features that can come online at various level, in a similiar manner to the class Variants, seems like a fun idea to make the races more distinct over time, because a 9th or 11th level character has usually started to outgrow some of their features (depending on the feature). It also gives us space to take ones that are very nice at 1st level and bump them when they fall in pointlessness (ie Dragonborn) </p><p></p><p>But, I'm not convinced this is the thread to discuss them</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8205866, member: 6801228"] He showed you a statline, said "this is the character I want to make" You then made a different statline, with different values and said "here is the character you wanted, made exactly the same" So, no, he did exactly what you asked, and you refused to accept it. Just because the same numbers were still the highest doesn't mean crap, because that would be saying that (6 / 8 / 8 / 10 / 10 / 12) is an identical character to (8 / 10 /10 / 12 /12 /14) You realize that player's don't have a choice to implement point buy, right? That that power rests with the DM? And yet, the option to use the standard array instead of rolling is 100% in the player's power. That is why some of us rely on that standard array, because the other option is rolling which has a plethora of issues. Sure, if we remove ASIs and increase Point Buy it will accomplish the same thing. But those aren't the rules we have been given. It is fine, and I'll accept your word for it. I definitely agree that is tremendously powerful, but on a 15th level character, maybe less so? And I'm really coming to like this optional space more and more. The idea of creating racial features that can come online at various level, in a similiar manner to the class Variants, seems like a fun idea to make the races more distinct over time, because a 9th or 11th level character has usually started to outgrow some of their features (depending on the feature). It also gives us space to take ones that are very nice at 1st level and bump them when they fall in pointlessness (ie Dragonborn) But, I'm not convinced this is the thread to discuss them [/QUOTE]
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