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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8214179" data-attributes="member: 6801228">Maybe they will, maybe they won't, but now if a race was designed like an Aasimar was in Volo's you said you would take offense at that, because lineages should have proficiencies. So, you weren't advocating for both options being available, you were making a value judgement that if they don't include proficiencies that is bad. And, funnily enough, despite your sudden "what about both sides" position, there are ways to include some proficiencies without it being cultural. Bugbears for instance are hinted at being supernaturally stealthy in the lore. They get stealth proficiency as a result of that. Now, whether we want to ask if it is fair that a supernaturally stealthy bugbear rogue is just as stealthy as a bog-standard human rogue, well, that is a different debate. Oh and elves Keen Senses are generally conceived of as biological, so there is another proficiency that could be had without needing to be cultural. I tend to like shifting that around, but hey, personal preference. So, we do have both sides available, proficiency and non-proficiency, so why are you trying to make non-proficient races a talking point statement and getting upset over their inclusion?</blockquote>