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<blockquote data-quote="Cadence" data-source="post: 8301682" data-attributes="member: 6701124"><p>It almost sounds like you're angry that DMs would do what the rules say to do for people who choose this class, a class whose whole idea is being bound by a pact to a super-powerful being and getting powers from it. If the player and DM followed the book they would have worked much of it out in advance...</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]138170[/ATTACH]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]138171[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>And what happens during level advancement is in the book as well. Some things are from your studying...</p><p></p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]138172[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>...and some are explicitly given because you continued to be in good standing when you advanced to that level.</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]138173[/ATTACH]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]138174[/ATTACH]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]138175[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>It feels like what happens with these invocation, boon, and arcanum if you fall out of favor are something the DM and PC should have talked about at the beginning (and I wish the rules called that out as one of the things to talk about). I don't know how Eldritch Master can possibly be read as being something you could use if you were out of favor.</p><p></p><p>I'm guessing some DMs have worlds where they want everything to fall together, and where the arch devils don't hand powers out like candy, and when an archdevil hands stuff out for a particular reason and has a contract they enforce it. I'm having a hard time figuring out why that's bad if the players agreed to it in the beginning. Or in general why it's bad that players don't get to just do whatever they want character wise. ("I'm sorry, the <based on some fictional or real world setting everyone agreed to and I've put a lot of time in> doesn't have Dragonborn. If you play one it's going to make life a lot more difficult for your character because the first reaction from everyone would be that you're some sort of demonic-monster or the like. Was it the appearance you wanted or the powers? We might be able to do something with the later.").</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cadence, post: 8301682, member: 6701124"] It almost sounds like you're angry that DMs would do what the rules say to do for people who choose this class, a class whose whole idea is being bound by a pact to a super-powerful being and getting powers from it. If the player and DM followed the book they would have worked much of it out in advance... [ATTACH type="full" alt="1623499866906.png"]138170[/ATTACH] [ATTACH type="full" alt="1623499894464.png"]138171[/ATTACH] And what happens during level advancement is in the book as well. Some things are from your studying... [ATTACH type="full" alt="1623500115689.png"]138172[/ATTACH] ...and some are explicitly given because you continued to be in good standing when you advanced to that level. [ATTACH type="full" alt="1623500158756.png"]138173[/ATTACH] [ATTACH type="full" alt="1623500202771.png"]138174[/ATTACH] [ATTACH type="full" alt="1623500220323.png"]138175[/ATTACH] It feels like what happens with these invocation, boon, and arcanum if you fall out of favor are something the DM and PC should have talked about at the beginning (and I wish the rules called that out as one of the things to talk about). I don't know how Eldritch Master can possibly be read as being something you could use if you were out of favor. I'm guessing some DMs have worlds where they want everything to fall together, and where the arch devils don't hand powers out like candy, and when an archdevil hands stuff out for a particular reason and has a contract they enforce it. I'm having a hard time figuring out why that's bad if the players agreed to it in the beginning. Or in general why it's bad that players don't get to just do whatever they want character wise. ("I'm sorry, the <based on some fictional or real world setting everyone agreed to and I've put a lot of time in> doesn't have Dragonborn. If you play one it's going to make life a lot more difficult for your character because the first reaction from everyone would be that you're some sort of demonic-monster or the like. Was it the appearance you wanted or the powers? We might be able to do something with the later."). [/QUOTE]
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