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<blockquote data-quote="TheCosmicKid" data-source="post: 7694218" data-attributes="member: 6683613"><p>And you don't get to discredit my argument by alleging "serious inaccuracies" without any substantiation. Show me <em>one</em> inaccurate statement, and I'll correct it. But I can't do anything with an accusation that vague.</p><p></p><p>And while you're thinking about that, why aren't you going after Hussar for the inaccurate statements he's made? He didn't know the cast time of <em>mind meld</em>, said that <em>fireball</em> could only deal so much damage because of its fire typing, and tried to claim that there's not a huge difference between 14 and 24. (EDIT: Oh, and 8d6 actually averages to 28.) But his argument gets a pass?</p><p></p><p>First of all, Hussar never told me this. Secondly, even if he had, agreement doesn't follow from what you've said. You say spell level is "the first and most useful parameter", but it's certainly not the <em>only</em> parameter. The context of the class is critical as well. If, to give the hyperbolic example, the effect were the only ability the class had, then it may well still be weaker than the wizard, especially if the effect is not a quantifiable combat improvement. Yeah, cantrip <em>fireball</em> would be broken, but cantrip <em>comprehend languages</em>? No. The fact that a wizard needs to spend a 1st-level spell slot to achieve that effect doesn't mean that every character needs to.</p><p></p><p>I <em>am</em> standing for what I have written. You're the one trying to tell me what I meant when I wrote it. I'm conceding nothing; I'm drawing a line between my "differing power budgets" and your "known outliers" to show that we're actually just using different terminology for the same concept and basically agree on the matter. And it's very frustrating to have that thrown back in my face.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TheCosmicKid, post: 7694218, member: 6683613"] And you don't get to discredit my argument by alleging "serious inaccuracies" without any substantiation. Show me [I]one[/I] inaccurate statement, and I'll correct it. But I can't do anything with an accusation that vague. And while you're thinking about that, why aren't you going after Hussar for the inaccurate statements he's made? He didn't know the cast time of [I]mind meld[/I], said that [I]fireball[/I] could only deal so much damage because of its fire typing, and tried to claim that there's not a huge difference between 14 and 24. (EDIT: Oh, and 8d6 actually averages to 28.) But his argument gets a pass? First of all, Hussar never told me this. Secondly, even if he had, agreement doesn't follow from what you've said. You say spell level is "the first and most useful parameter", but it's certainly not the [I]only[/I] parameter. The context of the class is critical as well. If, to give the hyperbolic example, the effect were the only ability the class had, then it may well still be weaker than the wizard, especially if the effect is not a quantifiable combat improvement. Yeah, cantrip [I]fireball[/I] would be broken, but cantrip [I]comprehend languages[/I]? No. The fact that a wizard needs to spend a 1st-level spell slot to achieve that effect doesn't mean that every character needs to. I [I]am[/I] standing for what I have written. You're the one trying to tell me what I meant when I wrote it. I'm conceding nothing; I'm drawing a line between my "differing power budgets" and your "known outliers" to show that we're actually just using different terminology for the same concept and basically agree on the matter. And it's very frustrating to have that thrown back in my face. [/QUOTE]
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