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Unearthed Arcana Returns to Monthly With Some Revised Subclasses
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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 7714663" data-attributes="member: 7006"><p>Now that you point this out, I agree with you. Due to the current wording of Blade Flourish and Cunning Flourish, TWF is really a superfluous build for the Blade (mainly after level 6 like you say.)</p><p></p><p>If a character decides to fight with two weapons, it's usually because they want one more attack over and above what others of a similar level have. From levels 1-5 its usually 2 attacks versus a sword 'n boarder's (or two-handers) 1 attack, then 3 attacks versus 2 once Extra Attack comes into play.</p><p></p><p>But the way the Flourish rules are written... once a Blade reaches 6th level and gets what is ostensibly their "extra attack"... they no longer get to maintain that one extra attack edge. If Cunning Flourish gives them a second attack when using Blade Flourish (BF), and BF does not allow you to make a Bonus action off-hand attack (because in order to do so you must take the Attack action, which BF is not)... then once you reach 6th level as a Blade you no longer gain anything for TWF.</p><p></p><p>Even if you ran out of Bardic Inspiration dice, there is no real impetus to switch over from using Blade Flourish to using TWF (like you might do from levels 1-5). You're going from 2 attacks with BF to 2 attacks from TWF (gaining you nothing)... your damage goes down because there's a good chance your off-hand weapon with TWF is Light and thus your damage die is smaller than your main hand... and you also lose the extra 10 feet of movement you get from BF. It's only if your off-hand weapon was specially magical would there possibly be a reason why attacking with your off-hand might be preferable to attacking twice with your main hand with BF.</p><p></p><p>If this is the way its meant for the Blade to play, then fine-- but then the subclass should NOT offer up the Two-Weapon Fighting style as one of its choices. Because doing so gives the illusion that fighting with two weapons is something the Blade should be doing, despite all evidence to the contrary.</p><p></p><p>The rules of Blade Flourish are currently written such that the Blade should always be using it when engaging in weapon combat... which means anything having to do with TWF is unnecessary. So don't give the subclass the TWF fighting style because it *is* in fact a trap, as it gains you nothing once the Blade reaches level 6.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 7714663, member: 7006"] Now that you point this out, I agree with you. Due to the current wording of Blade Flourish and Cunning Flourish, TWF is really a superfluous build for the Blade (mainly after level 6 like you say.) If a character decides to fight with two weapons, it's usually because they want one more attack over and above what others of a similar level have. From levels 1-5 its usually 2 attacks versus a sword 'n boarder's (or two-handers) 1 attack, then 3 attacks versus 2 once Extra Attack comes into play. But the way the Flourish rules are written... once a Blade reaches 6th level and gets what is ostensibly their "extra attack"... they no longer get to maintain that one extra attack edge. If Cunning Flourish gives them a second attack when using Blade Flourish (BF), and BF does not allow you to make a Bonus action off-hand attack (because in order to do so you must take the Attack action, which BF is not)... then once you reach 6th level as a Blade you no longer gain anything for TWF. Even if you ran out of Bardic Inspiration dice, there is no real impetus to switch over from using Blade Flourish to using TWF (like you might do from levels 1-5). You're going from 2 attacks with BF to 2 attacks from TWF (gaining you nothing)... your damage goes down because there's a good chance your off-hand weapon with TWF is Light and thus your damage die is smaller than your main hand... and you also lose the extra 10 feet of movement you get from BF. It's only if your off-hand weapon was specially magical would there possibly be a reason why attacking with your off-hand might be preferable to attacking twice with your main hand with BF. If this is the way its meant for the Blade to play, then fine-- but then the subclass should NOT offer up the Two-Weapon Fighting style as one of its choices. Because doing so gives the illusion that fighting with two weapons is something the Blade should be doing, despite all evidence to the contrary. The rules of Blade Flourish are currently written such that the Blade should always be using it when engaging in weapon combat... which means anything having to do with TWF is unnecessary. So don't give the subclass the TWF fighting style because it *is* in fact a trap, as it gains you nothing once the Blade reaches level 6. [/QUOTE]
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