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<blockquote data-quote="doctorbadwolf" data-source="post: 7714933" data-attributes="member: 6704184">IMO, it's all abstractions that we have to come to our own understanding of in terms of the fiction. I don't buy for a second that staves shouldn't be finesse under most posited explanations of finesse in this thread, for instance. You can find a way to justify it, but it is a justification after the fact, not the reason that quarterstaff wielders who aren't monks have to use Strength. Anyway, at the risk of further stirring the pot, I'm also talking to my players about making many of the two handed weapons able to have reach at the cost of a damage die step, with different stances. Basically, the default is whatever the weapon normally does, and as a bonus action you can change stance to reach, losing a die step, and stay in that stance for the rest of the fight, if you want, or change back as another bonus action. Some weapons will also steal a bullet point from Spear Mastery, and gain a Lunge property, where they can spend a bonus action to gain reach for the rest of their turn. These would be the Rapier, Longsword, at least. Haven't decided on quarterstaff yet. A lot of staff fighting can be very similar to two handed spear fighting, which should have reach IMO. But it's also versatile. Versatile and variable reach, I'm not sure of, so maybe just add Lunge to it. Now, I know some of you think that such things should only live in feats or whatever, but I disagree completely.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="doctorbadwolf, post: 7714933, member: 6704184"] IMO, it's all abstractions that we have to come to our own understanding of in terms of the fiction. I don't buy for a second that staves shouldn't be finesse under most posited explanations of finesse in this thread, for instance. You can find a way to justify it, but it is a justification after the fact, not the reason that quarterstaff wielders who aren't monks have to use Strength. Anyway, at the risk of further stirring the pot, I'm also talking to my players about making many of the two handed weapons able to have reach at the cost of a damage die step, with different stances. Basically, the default is whatever the weapon normally does, and as a bonus action you can change stance to reach, losing a die step, and stay in that stance for the rest of the fight, if you want, or change back as another bonus action. Some weapons will also steal a bullet point from Spear Mastery, and gain a Lunge property, where they can spend a bonus action to gain reach for the rest of their turn. These would be the Rapier, Longsword, at least. Haven't decided on quarterstaff yet. A lot of staff fighting can be very similar to two handed spear fighting, which should have reach IMO. But it's also versatile. Versatile and variable reach, I'm not sure of, so maybe just add Lunge to it. Now, I know some of you think that such things should only live in feats or whatever, but I disagree completely. [/QUOTE]

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