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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 7965858" data-attributes="member: 18">I love how you say this sort of "corporate line" thing and I just don't believe it and roll my eyes and then we get into a pointless argument. Lets avoid that this time and I'll say, I'd love know what exactly "most tables and most players don't use Feats" actually means. Because the interesting thing to me is, out of the three (actually four) 5E games I either run or play in (amazingly I only run one of them atm), only one actually has any characters at all who have a Feat (and not even every PC does). What do all the others have in common? All the PCs are below the level where you get your third ASI/Feat. And you use the standard array, or point-buy, the gain from choosing an ASI for your first two ASI/Feats are so high that you generally don't want a Feat (excluding super-min-maxers who take VHuman or the like, but they're rare, and we have none). Thus if we were surveyed, we might well say "We don't use Feats", or if they looked at our characters via Beyond, they'd find that they didn't have Feats.But that's not because anyone "hates" Feats, or even is opposed to them in any way, it's simply because ASIs are much more valuable then Feats for most characters who are generated that way.Unfortunately I don't think either of us actually do know what that "no feats" deal means, so there we go! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> I strongly suspect that, before 5E is done (I mean, assuming we count any 5.5E as 5E), there will be a setting which relies on either literally Feats, or worse a mechanism so close to them it's kind of a joke that they're not called Feats, but maybe we can both chalk that up to "late-edition shenanigans", which 2E, 3E, 4E (and I'd say 1E) all engaged in.As an aside I think this is fine. I'm not particularly married to Feats - I'm actually kind of impressed by how well-balanced they are against ASIs, and think ASIs should generally come out ahead.(I do think it's a bit off that there's only details on gaining new tool proficiencies and languages though, you should able to gain skills and possibly single weapon proficiencies or even armour proficiencies without getting into Feats, as they're not part of the default game, but that's a whole other topic.)Yeah, and that's problematic of course because it means the races they start Dark Sun with are all the races it will literally ever have official support for. Oh well, anything that gets Thri-Kreen back.</blockquote>

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