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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 7967798" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>See, we are talking about different things now. </p><p></p><p>Spellcasting focuses only take a single hand, or a shield. </p><p></p><p>Paladin or Cleric? Sure, focus is on their shield, they might have trouble juggling a shield, torch and weapon, if they are in the dark and don't have darkvision. Of course, cleric's can just cast light on their shield, solving that issue. </p><p></p><p>Warlock, Sorcerer, Wizard, Bard, Druid, Ranger? Most of them don't have or don't use shields. In fact, for most wizards, sorcerers, bards and warlocks? The have a focus in one hand and nothing in their other, so they can easily carry a torch and cast. </p><p></p><p>And by 4th level, if you are a caster who has this problem, you usually take warcaster which allows you to cast while your hands are full. </p><p></p><p>So, we have to get fairly specific and in the weeds for this to ever come up needing</p><p>1) Multiple people without Darkvision</p><p>2) Using a hand-held light source to see in the dark instead of the variety of cantrips that do so</p><p>3) They must be wielding a shield, or commonly have a weapon other than a staff (which is an arcane focus) that they wish to hold while casting</p><p>4) Not have a feat, ability, or common magical item to counteract that handedness issue</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, thank you for informing me, I guess I didn't know my own table</p><p></p><p>But, doesn't hold person have three components? Somatic (gestures), Verbal (specific words of specific intonation and pitch) and Material (holy symbol or length of iron)</p><p></p><p>Can we really say that I am using components when I'm only using 1/3 of what is required by the rules? You want to say I'm following a set of standards that I am not following, but I don't understand what you think this will accomplish.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Wouldn't that, by default, make them hidden? </p><p></p><p>Unless you are saying that a psionicist should stand there perfectly still and silent, then light up like a christmas tree</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Ah, so you are willing to die on a hill to split a hair. Carry on I guess.</p><p></p><p>Edit: Though this still doesn't fix what is an actual balance problem, that is without the limits of speaking or gesturing, you can't shut down a psion like you can every other caster in the game. And that is a legitimate problem, you need a way to stop them from using 90% of their abilities, just like every other caster.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You don't need a protein hand in 5e for arcane casting either. </p><p></p><p>Also, just look at War Caster or Ruby of the War Mage. Both of these allow casting without your hand being free.</p><p></p><p>Edit Tangent: With the Edit I just made to the response to MaxPerson, I had a thought. Do people allow casters with War Caster to cast spells while bound? I've never encountered it, so I'm not sure what the accepted ruling on that is.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 7967798, member: 6801228"] See, we are talking about different things now. Spellcasting focuses only take a single hand, or a shield. Paladin or Cleric? Sure, focus is on their shield, they might have trouble juggling a shield, torch and weapon, if they are in the dark and don't have darkvision. Of course, cleric's can just cast light on their shield, solving that issue. Warlock, Sorcerer, Wizard, Bard, Druid, Ranger? Most of them don't have or don't use shields. In fact, for most wizards, sorcerers, bards and warlocks? The have a focus in one hand and nothing in their other, so they can easily carry a torch and cast. And by 4th level, if you are a caster who has this problem, you usually take warcaster which allows you to cast while your hands are full. So, we have to get fairly specific and in the weeds for this to ever come up needing 1) Multiple people without Darkvision 2) Using a hand-held light source to see in the dark instead of the variety of cantrips that do so 3) They must be wielding a shield, or commonly have a weapon other than a staff (which is an arcane focus) that they wish to hold while casting 4) Not have a feat, ability, or common magical item to counteract that handedness issue Well, thank you for informing me, I guess I didn't know my own table But, doesn't hold person have three components? Somatic (gestures), Verbal (specific words of specific intonation and pitch) and Material (holy symbol or length of iron) Can we really say that I am using components when I'm only using 1/3 of what is required by the rules? You want to say I'm following a set of standards that I am not following, but I don't understand what you think this will accomplish. Wouldn't that, by default, make them hidden? Unless you are saying that a psionicist should stand there perfectly still and silent, then light up like a christmas tree Ah, so you are willing to die on a hill to split a hair. Carry on I guess. Edit: Though this still doesn't fix what is an actual balance problem, that is without the limits of speaking or gesturing, you can't shut down a psion like you can every other caster in the game. And that is a legitimate problem, you need a way to stop them from using 90% of their abilities, just like every other caster. You don't need a protein hand in 5e for arcane casting either. Also, just look at War Caster or Ruby of the War Mage. Both of these allow casting without your hand being free. Edit Tangent: With the Edit I just made to the response to MaxPerson, I had a thought. Do people allow casters with War Caster to cast spells while bound? I've never encountered it, so I'm not sure what the accepted ruling on that is. [/QUOTE]
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