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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Paul Farquhar" data-source="post: 8057119" data-attributes="member: 6906155">Doesn't wash. They are too similar in name, too similar in theme, and too similar in mechanics (about 50% of the granted spells are the same) to jusify them being seperate subclasses. And one is underpowered, the other is overpowered, put them together and you might get something that works.And there is plenty of design space unused. They could, for example, design A Vampire Lord patron, strongly themed around being a vampire's minion. Or how about an Ancestral Ghost patron? It doesn't have much power itself, but it can still instruct one of it's decedents.And we still haven't got a (n official) Ancient Dragon patron. Or Modron - more sensible for warlock than sorcerer. And there is room for more Pact Boons, more Invocations, more plain old spells.</blockquote>