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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 6897808" data-attributes="member: 6801228">I don't think it is a major side track, because it actually ties into one of the reasons why people are saying Ranger 1 assassins are really powerful.The way I run it, Assassin doesn't need initiative to get the surprise. The surprise round is separate, then we roll initiative. (Mostly because I think it is weird for an enemy to react before I've done anything).With that houserule, the fact that Rangers get advantage on initiative does nothing to help the assassin, nor actually does the attacking someone who hasn't acted giving you advantage. Initiative isn't established til after the potential crit hit, and assassins already get advantage against creatures that haven 't acted.&nbsp; Plus, Alert feat plus DEX class already gets you going before most any enemy most of the time. Deep Stalker still has the potential for issues, but that's 3 levels in so probably more acceptable... Deep Stalker Swashbuckler, +10 movement, advantage on massive initiative score, enemies you attack can't use OA's, 2-3 attacks depending on dual-wield. Man, all the Ranger multi-classes honestly sound like fun to me, unlike the warlock paladin builds or other things I've seen.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 6897808, member: 6801228"] I don't think it is a major side track, because it actually ties into one of the reasons why people are saying Ranger 1 assassins are really powerful. The way I run it, Assassin doesn't need initiative to get the surprise. The surprise round is separate, then we roll initiative. (Mostly because I think it is weird for an enemy to react before I've done anything). With that houserule, the fact that Rangers get advantage on initiative does nothing to help the assassin, nor actually does the attacking someone who hasn't acted giving you advantage. Initiative isn't established til after the potential crit hit, and assassins already get advantage against creatures that haven 't acted. Plus, Alert feat plus DEX class already gets you going before most any enemy most of the time. Deep Stalker still has the potential for issues, but that's 3 levels in so probably more acceptable... Deep Stalker Swashbuckler, +10 movement, advantage on massive initiative score, enemies you attack can't use OA's, 2-3 attacks depending on dual-wield. Man, all the Ranger multi-classes honestly sound like fun to me, unlike the warlock paladin builds or other things I've seen. [/QUOTE]

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