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<blockquote data-quote="MagicSN" data-source="post: 7672656" data-attributes="member: 6784745">For the discussion of Vitality it might be interesting to discuss the way this was handled in the german RPG systemMidgard:- When an attack hit the defender did a &quot;defense roll&quot;- If the defense roll with all boni added had at least the value of the attack roll with all boni added,&nbsp; the defense was successful- Defense success: The target loses the damage in endurance points- Defense Fail: The target loses the damage both in Endurance and Life points (minus AC, which in Midgard is just a Damage Malus&nbsp; to Life point Damage)- Someone with 0 Endurance points cannot make defense rolls anymore and gets some mali to attack/skill rolls- Someone with 0 Life points is like someone with 0 HP in D&amp;D - If you lose 1/3 of your LP in one hit you get extra damage rolled on a special table (there were also tables for rolled&nbsp; natural 1 and 20 for both attack rolls and defense rolls, some of them were quite deadly)- AP did raise &quot;per level&quot; while LP only changed if your Con changed (so nearly never...). Being pierced by a sword is&nbsp; as deadly to a lvl 15 character as it is to a lvl 1 character. Just the lvl 15 character often manages to avoid the hit...&nbsp; This makes a quite realistic system.Disadvantages of the Midgard System:- It slows down combat a lot (two dice rolls per hit, and they need to be matched against each other)- It made Features which raised your AC too powerful. Most overpowered builds included combat staff as weapon (which allowed&nbsp; you to add your attack bonus to your defense) for example.- At high levels a missed defense roll could be pretty bad- But at high levels defense rolls nearly never failed as defense scaled better than attack on a good build which made the&nbsp; LP only used &quot;for those few attacks which hit&quot; (Midgard was balanced for low/medium levels, in high levels the system&nbsp; was awkward)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="MagicSN, post: 7672656, member: 6784745"] For the discussion of Vitality it might be interesting to discuss the way this was handled in the german RPG system Midgard: - When an attack hit the defender did a "defense roll" - If the defense roll with all boni added had at least the value of the attack roll with all boni added, the defense was successful - Defense success: The target loses the damage in endurance points - Defense Fail: The target loses the damage both in Endurance and Life points (minus AC, which in Midgard is just a Damage Malus to Life point Damage) - Someone with 0 Endurance points cannot make defense rolls anymore and gets some mali to attack/skill rolls - Someone with 0 Life points is like someone with 0 HP in D&D - If you lose 1/3 of your LP in one hit you get extra damage rolled on a special table (there were also tables for rolled natural 1 and 20 for both attack rolls and defense rolls, some of them were quite deadly) - AP did raise "per level" while LP only changed if your Con changed (so nearly never...). Being pierced by a sword is as deadly to a lvl 15 character as it is to a lvl 1 character. Just the lvl 15 character often manages to avoid the hit... This makes a quite realistic system. Disadvantages of the Midgard System: - It slows down combat a lot (two dice rolls per hit, and they need to be matched against each other) - It made Features which raised your AC too powerful. Most overpowered builds included combat staff as weapon (which allowed you to add your attack bonus to your defense) for example. - At high levels a missed defense roll could be pretty bad - But at high levels defense rolls nearly never failed as defense scaled better than attack on a good build which made the LP only used "for those few attacks which hit" (Midgard was balanced for low/medium levels, in high levels the system was awkward) [/QUOTE]

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