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Message: <blockquote data-quote="touc" data-source="post: 8549658" data-attributes="member: 19270">The problem is when/if players are so conditioned to the game being about combat that their characters find magical items like a ring of mind shielding or the spell non-detection to be totally useless.When's the last time when picking their 2 spells upon going up a level that a wizard took Nondetection?Yet, roughly 1/3 of the spells in the PHB might be considered non-combat. They never get used unless the DM throws a curveball incentive from time to time, such as the below:Yeah, nasty days those were. So, Teleport Trap got invented for those who could afford it. Nothing like teleporting would-be-assassins into a sealed sarcophagus under a lake.But, holy tantrum from my gamers when my bad guy scried and fried them. They tried it on him, so he reciprocated. And, I get where the OP talks about players feeling resentment. I think it felt like I'd breached a "player only" feature like we have in 5E with Death Saves and <s>holy</s> healing word.  If the bad guys started being able to play whack-a-mole, would the players have fun? Ultimately, in 3.5/Pathfinder, we made a "mutually assured destruction" pact that scrying didn't give enough info to teleport to the target unless they were in a place the PC had been to. But taking it out of the game altogether? No way. When PCs find out someone is peeping-Tom on them, they tend to get creeped out and want to know who, what, when, where, and why!</blockquote>

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